The Muscatine experiment – aka shooting fish in a barrel

Let’s compare the metadata in the Muscatine PDF with the metadata of the AP JPEG imported into Photoshop and saved as a PDF? There is are two one missing entryies: Urgency and DateCreated, I will be repeating the experiment. Ah, somehow I missed DateCreated… It is clear however that the metadata is extremely similar… Anyone having access to CS2? I assumed that Hermitian had done this experiment, after I explained it some time ago.

There are two differences: the time is embedded in addition to the date and there is no urgency tag.

Kevin Vicklund to the rescue

Yes. Urgency: 5

The METADATA from the Muscatine Journal is identical to the METADATA produced by importing the AP JPEG into Photoshop CS2 and saving as a PDF, allowing for current date and time.

Update:

(photoshop:Urgency) has been deprecated in 2005. (Need to confirmed)

DateCreated: Use this field to record the date (and optionally, the time) the photograph was created, not the date when youscanned or edited the image.

Another myth bites the dust, I love it.. You’re the best Hermitian, you inspire people to push their research…

Metadata comparison…

Muscatine PDF AP JPEG imported into
Photoshop and saved as PDF
<photoshop:Source>
AP
</photoshop:Source>
<photoshop:Country>
USA
</photoshop:Country>
<photoshop:Credit>
AP
</photoshop:Credit>
<photoshop:City>
Washington
</photoshop:City>
<photoshop:CaptionWriter>
JSA RCL**DC**
</photoshop:CaptionWriter>
<photoshop:DateCreated>
2011-04-27
</photoshop:DateCreated>
<photoshop:TransmissionReference>
DCSA103
</photoshop:TransmissionReference>
<photoshop:State>
DC
</photoshop:State>
<photoshop:Urgency>
5
</photoshop:Urgency>
<photoshop:Instructions>
HANDOUT IMAGE PROVIDED BY THE WHITE HOUSE
</photoshop:Instructions>
<photoshop:Category>
A
</photoshop:Category>
<photoshop:AuthorsPosition>
STF
</photoshop:AuthorsPosition>
<photoshop:ColorMode>
3
</photoshop:ColorMode>
<pdf:Producer>
Adobe Photoshop for Windows — Image Conversion Plug-in
</pdf:Producer>
<photoshop:Source>
AP
</photoshop:Source>
<photoshop:Country>
USA
</photoshop:Country
<photoshop:Credit>
AP
</photoshop:Credit
<photoshop:City>
Washington
</photoshop:City>
<photoshop:CaptionWriter>
JSA RCL**DC**
</photoshop:CaptionWriter>
<photoshop:DateCreated>
2011-04-27T08:53:21
</photoshop:DateCreated>
<photoshop:TransmissionReference>
DCSA103
</photoshop:TransmissionReference&gt
;<photoshop:State>
DC
</photoshop:State>
Missing
Missing
Missing

<photoshop:Instructions>
HANDOUT IMAGE PROVIDED BY THE WHITE HOUSE
</photoshop:Instructions>
<photoshop:Category>
A
</photoshop:Category>

<photoshop:AuthorsPosition>
STF
</photoshop:AuthorsPosition>
<photoshop:ColorMode>
3
</photoshop:ColorMode>
<pdf:Producer>
Adobe Photoshop for Macintosh — Image Conversion Plug-in
</pdf:Producer>

126 thoughts on “The Muscatine experiment – aka shooting fish in a barrel

  1. Anyone having access to CS2?

    Yes. Urgency: 5

    The METADATA from the Muscatine Journal is identical to the METADATA produced by importing the AP JPEG into Photoshop CS2 and saving as a PDF, allowing for current date and time.

  2. The METADATA from the Muscatine Journal is identical to the METADATA produced by importing the AP JPEG into Photoshop CS2 and saving as a PDF, allowing for current date and time.

    Poor Hermitian…

    Few of his fantasies survive the onslaught of facts and data…

  3. Here’s one scenario that does survive all your bloviating.

    ROTFL !!!

    I was curious so I extracted the JFIF file from the AP PDF file “ap_obama_certificate_dm_110427.pdf”. This was the AP PDF that was created by Scott Applewhite which was published by ABC on 04/27/2011.

    Look what I found in the JFIF file METADATA !

    photoshop:LegacyIPTCDigest B015085645EC2F47BC93D5C65CB4B3F7 photoshop:LegacyIPTCDigest
    photoshop:Category A photoshop:Category
    photoshop:Instructions HANDOUT IMAGE PROVIDED BY THE WHITE HOUSE photoshop:Instructions
    photoshop:DateCreated 2011-04-27T08:53:21 photoshop:DateCreated
    photoshop:AuthorsPosition STF photoshop:AuthorsPosition
    photoshop:City Washington photoshop:City
    photoshop:State DC photoshop:State
    photoshop:Country USA photoshop:Country
    photoshop:TransmissionReference DCSA103 photoshop:TransmissionReference
    photoshop:Credit AP photoshop:Credit
    photoshop:Source AP photoshop:Source
    photoshop:CaptionWriter JSA RCL**DC** photoshop:CaptionWriter
    photoshop:ColorMode 3 photoshop:ColorMode

    dc:title
    rdf:Alt
    rdf:li xml:lang=”x-default” Obama rdf:li
    rdf:Alt
    dc:title
    dc:creator
    rdf:Seq
    rdf:li J. Scott Applewhite rdf:li
    rdf:Seq
    dc:creator
    dc:description
    rdf:Alt
    rdf:li xml:lang=”x-default” This handout image provided by the White House shows a copy of the long form of President Barack Obama’s birth certificate from Hawaii. (AP Photo J. Scott Applewhite) rdf:li
    rdf:Alt
    dc:description
    dc:format image jpeg dc:format
    xmpMM:DocumentID 817F46745B7B6A9A84416AAA85CA5573 xmpMM:DocumentID
    xmpMM:InstanceID 817F46745B7B6A9A84416AAA85CA5573 xmpMM:InstanceID
    tiff:ImageWidth 2698 tiff:ImageWidth
    tiff:ImageLength 3234 tiff:ImageLength
    tiff:BitsPerSample
    rdf:Seq
    rdf:li 8 rdf:li
    rdf:li 8 rdf:li
    rdf:li 8 rdf:li
    rdf:Seq
    tiff:BitsPerSample
    tiff:PhotometricInterpretation 2 tiff:PhotometricInterpretation
    tiff:SamplesPerPixel 3 tiff:SamplesPerPixel
    tiff:XResolution 200 :1 tiff:XResolution
    tiff:YResolution 200 : 1 tiff:YResolution
    tiff:ResolutionUnit 2 tiff:ResolutionUnit
    exif:ExifVersion 0221 exif:ExifVersion
    exif:ColorSpace 65535 exif:ColorSpace
    exif:PixelXDimension 2698 exif:PixelXDimension
    exif:PixelYDimension 3234 exif:PixelYDimension

    Notice that the DateCreated is as follows:

    photoshop:DateCreated 2011-04-27T08:53:21 photoshop:DateCreated

    Notice that the clock time of 8:53:21 does not include the GMT offset -4:00 for Eastern Daylight time.

    Now the METADATA from the AP PDF is as follows:

    ?xpacket begin=” ” id=”W5M0MpCehiHzreSzNTczkc9d”?
    x:xmpmeta xmlns:x=”adobe:ns:meta ” x:xmptk=”Adobe XMP Core 5.5-c014 79.151739, 2013 04 03-12:12:15 ”
    rdf:RDF xmlns:rdf=”http: http://www.w3.org 1999 02 22-rdf-syntax-ns#”
    rdf:Description rdf:about=””
    xmlns:xmp=”http: ns.adobe.com xap 1.0 ”
    xmlns:dc=”http: purl.org dc elements 1.1 ”
    xmlns:xmpMM=”http: ns.adobe.com xap 1.0 mm ”
    xmlns:pdf=”http: ns.adobe.com pdf 1.3 ”
    xmlns:pdfx=”http: ns.adobe.com pdfx 1.3 ”
    xmp:ModifyDate 2012-06-23T23:01:16-04:00 xmp:ModifyDate
    xmp:CreateDate 2011-04-27T09:28:48-04:00 xmp:CreateDate
    xmp:MetadataDate 2011-04-27T09:29:01-04:00 xmp:MetadataDate
    xmp:CreatorTool Adobe Acrobat 8.26 xmp:CreatorTool
    dc:format application pdf dc:format
    xmpMM:DocumentID uuid:cbc77ddb-0cfd-453e-b022-b288c2daeab5 xmpMM:DocumentID
    xmpMM:InstanceID uuid:1880039f-f8a7-4f9b-9bf6-5f49288e152e xmpMM:InstanceID
    pdf:Producer Adobe Acrobat 8.26 Image Conversion Plug-in pdf:Producer
    pdfx:PXCViewerInfo PDF-XChange Viewer;2.5.200.0;Dec 14 2011;19:59:08;D:20120623230116-04’00’ pdfx:PXCViewerInfo
    rdf:Description
    rdf:RDF
    x:xmpmeta

    Notice that the word “Photoshop” appears nowhere within the AP PDF METADATA. That’s because Photoshop was not used to create the AP PDF.

    Note that the CreateDate and the MetadataDate are:

    xmp:CreateDate 2011-04-27T09:28:48-04:00 xmp:CreateDate
    xmp:MetadataDate 2011-04-27T09:29:01-04:00 xmp.MetadataDate

    Note the GMT -4:00 for Eastern Daylight Time.

    Also notice that the CreatorTool and the ProducerTool are:

    xmp:CreatorTool Adobe Acrobat 8.26 xmp:CreatorTool
    pdf:Producer Adobe Acrobat 8.26 Image Conversion Plug-in pdf:Producer

    Now if you believe the crazy theory (of NBC and WKV) that the Muscatine staff downloaded the AP JFIF and then spent time using Photoshop CS2 to eliminate the pale-Blue background and then converted the JFIF to PDF so that they could just post it, then have I got news for you!

    The AP created both the ABC PDF and the Muscatine Journal PDF !

    Or otherwise, ABC hired the Muscatine Journal’s staff to import an AP JFIF into Photoshop and then add all the AP credits to the JFIF file info and then resave it as a JFIF. Then either the Muscatine Journal or ABC converted the Muscatine JFIF to PDF using Adobe Acrobat 8.26. And then ABC published the AP PDF.

    Or else, the AP provided an AP JFIF (without credits) to ABC along with explicit instructions to apply Photoshop to add the AP credits to the JFIF before the image could be published. ABC then did as instructed to produce a modified JFIF file containing the AP credits. And then ABC used Adobe Acrobat 8.26 to convert the JFIF to Adobe PDF which stripped out all the AP credits and then published it on 04/27/2011. This would be the only ABC scenario that would preclude the AP from touching their JFIF in Photoshop (assuming ABC did not hire the Muscatine Journal to do the dirty work with Photoshop.)

    So you don’t buy all this Photoshopping by ABC and/or the Muscatine Journal ?

    Neither do I.

    So I will pose this critical question. How could Scott Applewhite be at the DC headquarters of the AP at 8:53 AM EDT busily producing these two PDFs and at the same time be at the White House photographing the President ? And what paper original did Scott Applewhite use to create his two PDFs and where did he his original ?

    My best guess is that Scott Applewhite did the Photoshop work at 8:53:21 AM EDT and provided the Photoshop PDF (i.e. the first PDF) to the Muscatine Journal ASAP. He then provided the AP PDF to ABC at 9:28:48-4:00 approximately 30 min after he created the Photoshop PDF file. He used two different Adobe products (Photoshop CS2 and Adobe Acrobat 8.26) to create two different PDFs to cover his tracks.

    And I think that I can soon prove it.

  4. Hermitian: Now if you believe the crazy theory (of NBC and WKV) that the Muscatine staff downloaded the AP JFIF and then spent time using Photoshop CS2 to eliminate the pale-Blue background and then converted the JFIF to PDF so that they could just post it, then have I got news for you!

    Well, the news is that doing so leads to a PDF identical to the one posted on the Muscatine web site. Compare this to the hilarious scenarios our friend tries to have us accept🙂

    I am still at a loss for words here. Kevin and I have shown how importing the AP JPEG into Photoshop and saving as a PDF recreates all the features found in the Muscatine PDF.

    This strongly suggests that the Muscatine editors acquired the image from AP, decided to remove the bluish hue and publish it. It’s a beautifully simple and elegant explanation and the best? The data fully support it.

    Hermitian: My best guess is that Scott Applewhite did the Photoshop work at 8:53:21 AM EDT and provided the Photoshop PDF (i.e. the first PDF) to the Muscatine Journal ASAP. He then provided the AP PDF to ABC at 9:28:48-4:00 approximately 30 min after he created the Photoshop PDF file. He used two different Adobe products (Photoshop CS2 and Adobe Acrobat 8.26) to create two different PDFs to cover his tracks.

    And I think that I can soon prove it.

    ROTFL… And yet a much simpler explanation matches all the data, without the need for anything mysterious or the need to accuse third parties.

    We all love you Hermitian…

  5. NBC

    “”I am still at a loss for words here. Kevin and I have shown how importing the AP JPEG into Photoshop and saving as a PDF recreates all the features found in the Muscatine PDF.””

    Maybe you or WKV would be so kind as to post the METADATA from your AP JPEG. And then I will use it to nail your hides to the wall.

    By the way, I’m not at a loss for words. You lose…

  6. Maybe you or WKV would be so kind as to post the METADATA from your AP JPEG. And then I will use it to nail your hides to the wall.

    By the way, I’m not at a loss for words. You lose…

    And yet you ask us to provide you with the AP JPEG metadata. Now that is funny… How do you think I did the test?… You too can do this. This is not rocket science, just careful analysis using available data. And why ‘nailing our hides to the all’? Would one not first start with showing an analysis before jumping to conclusion?

  7. NBC says:

    September 3, 2013 at 18:03

    “”Maybe you or WKV would be so kind as to post the METADATA from your AP JPEG. And then I will use it to nail your hides to the wall.””

    “”By the way, I’m not at a loss for words. You lose…””

    An”et you ask us to provide you with the AP JPEG metadata. Now that is funny… How do you think I did the test?… You too can do this. This is not rocket science, just careful analysis using available data. And why ‘nailing our hides to the all’? Would one not first start with showing an analysis before jumping to conclusion?”

    HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
    I have already posted my METADATA that I extracted from JFIF that I had extracted from the AP PDF file “ap_obama_certificate_dm_110427.pdf” which the AP produced at 9:28:48-4:00 on 04/27/2011. The METADATA is posted in my earlier post on this same page. So maybe you won’t have too much trouble finding my results.

    Now you and WKV are up next. Don’t strike out !

    Put up or retract all of your previous claims.

  8. So you did what I did, and extracted the data from the same PDF. Did you manage to import it into Photoshop and then save it as a PDF? What did the metadata show then?

    I fail to see why you believe that posting the jpeg metadata extracted from AP PDF is going to help you in any form or manner?

    I do not have the metadata for the DCSA103 beyond that which is provided by the AP on their website.

    I have posted a side by side of the metadata found in the Muscatine PDF and the PDF which was created in Photoshop by opening JPEG and saving it as PDF.

  9. Look what I found in the JFIF file METADATA !

    photoshop:Category A photoshop:Category
    photoshop:Instructions HANDOUT IMAGE PROVIDED BY THE WHITE HOUSE photoshop:Instructions
    photoshop:DateCreated 2011-04-27T08:53:21 photoshop:DateCreated
    photoshop:AuthorsPosition STF photoshop:AuthorsPosition
    photoshop:City Washington photoshop:City
    photoshop:State DC photoshop:State
    photoshop:Country USA photoshop:Country
    photoshop:TransmissionReference DCSA103 photoshop:TransmissionReference
    photoshop:Credit AP photoshop:Credit
    photoshop:Source AP photoshop:Source
    photoshop:CaptionWriter JSA RCL**DC** photoshop:CaptionWriter
    photoshop:ColorMode 3 photoshop:ColorMode

    dc:title
    rdf:Alt
    rdf:li xml:lang=”x-default” Obama rdf:li
    rdf:Alt
    dc:title
    dc:creator
    rdf:Seq
    rdf:li J. Scott Applewhite rdf:li
    rdf:Seq
    dc:creator
    dc:description
    rdf:Alt
    rdf:li xml:lang=”x-default” This handout image provided by the White House shows a copy of the long form of President Barack Obama’s birth certificate from Hawaii. (AP Photo J. Scott Applewhite) rdf:li
    rdf:Alt
    dc:description
    dc:format image jpeg dc:format

    This is what I find in the DCS103A JPEG

    <photoshop:Source>AP</photoshop:Source>
    <photoshop:Country>USA</photoshop:Country>
    <photoshop:Credit>AP</photoshop:Credit>
    <photoshop:City>Washington</photoshop:City>
    <photoshop:CaptionWriter>JSA RCL**DC**</photoshop:CaptionWriter>
    <photoshop:DateCreated>2011-04-27T08:53:21</photoshop:DateCreated>
    <photoshop:TransmissionReference>DCSA103A</photoshop:TransmissionReference>
    <photoshop:State>DC</photoshop:State>
    <photoshop:Urgency>5</photoshop:Urgency>
    <photoshop:Instructions>HANDOUT IMAGE PROVIDED BY THE WHITE HOUSE</photoshop:Instructions>
    <photoshop:Category>A</photoshop:Category>

    and when imported and saved as PDF using photoshop it shows

    <dc:format>application/pdf</dc:format>
    <dc:title>
    <rdf:Alt>
    <rdf:li xml:lang=”x-default”>Obama</rdf:li>
    </rdf:Alt>
    </dc:title>
    <dc:creator>
    <rdf:Seq>
    <rdf:li>J. Scott Applewhite</rdf:li>
    </rdf:Seq>
    </dc:creator>
    <dc:description>
    <rdf:Alt>
    <rdf:li xml:lang=”x-default”>This handout image provided by the White House shows a copy of the long form of President Barack Obama’s birth certificate from Hawaii. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)</rdf:li>
    </rdf:Alt>
    </dc:description>
    <dc:rights>
    <rdf:Alt>
    <rdf:li xml:lang=”x-default”>AP2011</rdf:li>
    </rdf:Alt>
    </dc:rights>
    <photoshop:AuthorsPosition>STF</photoshop:AuthorsPosition>
    <photoshop:ColorMode>3</photoshop:ColorMode>

    This may have confused Hermitian into believing that Applewhite was the actual person using Photoshop, instead Photoshop got its info from the JPEG it had imported. For obvious reasons.

  10. I notice that the METADATA Hermie has listed from the AP PDF is not the same as the copy I have on this computer. His looks to be a newer version. The big difference:

    Hermie’s:

    xmp:ModifyDate 2012-06-23T23:01:16-04:00 xmp:ModifyDate

    Mine:

    xap:ModifyDate 2011-04-27T09:29:01-04:00 xap:ModifyDate

    The XMP Core version is also different (5.5 v 4.0), which I believe is what causes all the other minor differences (xmp v xap). Note that the modify date on mine is just a minute or so after the create date, so mine is likely the original version of the AP PDF.

    Reminder of the proposed workflow:

    1. Applewhite attends the presser at 8:48 EDT.
    2. Applewhite takes photo of the press packet at 8:53 EDT (timezone confirmed by datestamp)
    3. Applewhite sends photos to the DC office
    4. In photoshop, RCL adds any captions and any cropping not already done by Applewhite
    5. RCL uploads the JPEG to the AP site.
    6. At 9:28 EDT (timezone confirmed by datestamp), ABC uses Adobe Acrobat (8.2 Image Conversion Plug-in) to convert the JPEG into a PDF
    7. At 9:00 CDT (10:00 EDT, timezone confirmed by datestamp), Iowa Muscatine Journal uses Photoshop to eliminate the blue background from the JPEG and save as a PDF.

  11. Notice that the word “Photoshop” appears nowhere within the AP PDF METADATA. That’s because Photoshop was not used to create the AP PDF.

    That’s seems to be a reasonable conclusion.

    Did you take the AP jpeg you extracted and import it into Photoshop? What does the raw PDF data show you? What about the PDF data?

    When I did this, the following metadata showed up for the PDF

    <</Author(J. Scott Applewhite)/CreationDate(D:20130903110749-07’00’)/ModDate(D:20130903111612-07’00’)/Producer(Adobe Photoshop for Macintosh — Image Conversion Plug-in)/Subject(This handout image provided by the White House shows a copy of the long form of President Barack Obama’s birth certificate from Hawaii. \(AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite\))/Title(Obama)>>

    What more do you require? I have a lot of data I can share and I’d love to help you out here.

  12. Kevin:

    Reminder of the proposed workflow:

    1. Applewhite attends the presser at 8:48 EDT.
    2. Applewhite takes photo of the press packet at 8:53 EDT (timezone confirmed by datestamp)
    3. Applewhite sends photos to the DC office
    4. In photoshop, RCL adds any captions and any cropping not already done by Applewhite
    5. RCL uploads the JPEG to the AP site.
    6. At 9:28 EDT (timezone confirmed by datestamp), ABC uses Adobe Acrobat (8.2 Image Conversion Plug-in) to convert the JPEG into a PDF
    7. At 9:00 CDT (10:00 EDT, timezone confirmed by datestamp), Iowa Muscatine Journal uses Photoshop to eliminate the blue background from the JPEG and save as a PDF.

    Yes, that still appears to be well supported by the data we have collected so far. And it does not require one to speculate about issues for which we have no data…

    A simple, coherent and consistent workflow. Love it…

  13. I notice that the METADATA Hermie has listed from the AP PDF is not the same

    One has to be extremely careful here. For example, opening a document in Preview and printing it to PDF also totally messes up the original file, which suddenly is written in Preview format. That’s how I “lost” megabytes of data with the Muscatine PDF🙂 Luckily, I always start with a fresh copy, just to avoid these issues.

    I believe it has something to do with ‘chain of custody’🙂

  14. NBC says:

    September 3, 2013 at 18:56

    “So you did what I did, and extracted the data from the same PDF. Did you manage to import it into Photoshop and then save it as a PDF? What did the metadata show then?”

    HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
    Well I only know what I did not what you did. I know what you claimed that you did. You claimed that you downloaded a JPEG from the AP web site opened it in Photoshop CS2 and then saved it as a Photoshop PDF. You also claimed that you then compared the METADATA from this trial PDF to the Muscatine PDF and they were identical.

    But you did not extract the METADATA from the AP JPEG that you downloaded from the AP website and post it here. My challenge to you and your sidekick MKV is to do just that.

    Now I did something different from you which you don’t see the significance of. I extracted a JFIF from the AP PDF file “ap_obama_certificate_dm_110427.pdf” and then extracted the METADATA from this JFIF and posted it along with the METADATA from the AP PDF.
    HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

    “I fail to see why you believe that posting the jpeg metadata extracted from AP PDF is going to help you in any form or manner?”

    HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
    Nobody who claims to have accomplished what you claim you have could possibly be that dumb.
    HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

    “I do not have the metadata for the DCSA103 beyond that which is provided by the AP on their website.”

    HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
    What you are really saying here is that I don’t have any way to extract METADATA from a downloaded AP JPEG compressed file. And the reason that you are saying that is because JPEG compressed bitmap files do not have METADATA unless they are also JFIF format files.

    Did you even open your downloaded AP JPEG to see whether or not it is a JFIF ? IF it’s a JFIF then it has METADATA.

    So open your downloaded AP JPEG and see if it’s a JFIF. Then if it’s a JFIF then extract the METADATA. If you don’t know how to do that then say so and I will tell you how.
    HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

    “I have posted a side by side of the metadata found in the Muscatine PDF and the PDF which was created in Photoshop by opening JPEG and saving it as PDF.”

    HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
    That’s nice. But how do you know that all of that Photoshop METADATA was not already present in the METADATA of the AP JFIF that you downloaded ?

    If you will post a link to the “AP JPEG” that you downloaded then I will extract the METADATA.

    Otherwise get busy and retract every claim that you and your sidekick have made regarding the Muscatine Journal PDF and the AP PDF published by ABC.

  15. And the reason that you are saying that is because JPEG compressed bitmap files do not have METADATA unless they are also JFIF format files.

    Did you even open your downloaded AP JPEG to see whether or not it is a JFIF ? IF it’s a JFIF then it has METADATA.

    Ah, I see, you are still confused about the term JPEG. I see.

    Fascinating…

  16. That’s nice. But how do you know that all of that Photoshop METADATA was not already present in the METADATA of the AP JFIF that you downloaded ?

    Exactly, do you now understand how the metadata got into the photoshop PDF?

    The JPEG/JFIF contains the relevant information and photoshop, when importing the AP JPEG just copies the metadata.

    Which gives the impression that Applewhite was the creator.

    It’s a simple experiment.

  17. NBC says:

    September 3, 2013 at 20:04

    “”That’s nice. But how do you know that all of that Photoshop METADATA was not already present in the METADATA of the AP JFIF that you downloaded ?””

    “Exactly, do you now understand how the metadata got into the photoshop PDF?”

    This is the “if you can’t lick ’em then join ’em” Obot strategy. How screwed up can one Obot be ? By the way — where is your sidekick WKV ? He’s the only one of you two with an honest bone in his body. You NBC are shameless.

    Yes I understand how the METADATA got into the JFIF that I extracted from each of the two PDFs that were both created by Scott Applewhite of the AP.

    “The JPEG/JFIF contains the relevant information and photoshop, when importing the AP JPEG just copies the metadata.”

    No kidding Red Rider ? who whispered that into your ear ?

    Answer — Hermitian did !

    By the way — where’s that sidekick WKV. He’s the one with all the marbles.

    “Which gives the impression that Applewhite was the creator.”

    Interpretation of Obot drivel required here.

    Which gives the PROOF that Applewhite was the creator and producer of both the ABC PDF and the Muscatine Journal PDF.

    Get it now genius ?

    i didn’t think so. I knew you were up to no good when you opened this new page with a post full of retractions and redos. And then WKV came to your rescue — you thought.

    By the way where is your hero WKV now ?

    “It’s a simple experiment.”

    I agree. Because I’ve already extracted both JFIFs.

    So why don’t you get busy and post that METADATA from the AP JIFF that WKV downloaded off the AP web site and post it RIGHT HERE ???

    I can tell you from experience that it’s really simple to carry out. But maybe not using your freetoy PDF tools.

  18. Or if you can’t get ‘er done then just post the link to your AP JPEG RIGHT HERE and I’ll handle it.

  19. Which gives the PROOF that Applewhite was the creator and producer of both the ABC PDF and the Muscatine Journal PDF.

    I did post the JIFF information… Sigh… It’s for the DCS103A document

    There is NO evidence that either document was created by Applewhite. Hermitian confuses having the author show up as Applewhite as evidence, when in fact, importing the jpeg into photoshop, which anyone can do, shows how the PDF takes the information from the JPEG (JFIF for Hermitian’s benefit).

    So far I have done all that you have asked. Stop blaming me my friend.

    Do the experiment. It’s trivial

    Open Photoshop
    Open .jpg file
    Save as
    Select PDF
    Make sure that the defaults include:
    Preserve editing capabilities
    Embed thumbnail

    save..

    Now look at the raw PDF…

    A miracle?…

  20. This is the “if you can’t lick ’em then join ’em” Obot strategy. How screwed up can one Obot be ? By the way — where is your sidekick WKV ? He’s the only one of you two with an honest bone in his body. You NBC are shameless.

    ROTFL.. Poor Hermitian fails to understand how Applewhite’s name made it into the PDF and believes that he was the actual one doing the editing.

    I have tried to explain this to him but he apparently needs more time, even though my smarter, better looking and overall superior sidekick Kevin confirmed my findings.

    Does Hermitian even bother to read the comments?

  21. Going back to the Zebest example (which I love using …. can birthers object to one of their heros’ “masterpieces”?), the metadata in her reports indicates a Canon camera “author’d” her author’s photo. Cameras record copious metadata along with their images. Photoshop, being geared toward photography, retains this data (sure comes in handy when cataloguing images!), and when other Adobe apps compile PDFs, they retain the metadata for each element.

    Did the Canon camera write the report as well? Or merely handle the layout? 😛

  22. Well, with the right experiments you can test what happens…🙂

    In all seriousness, one can test these scenarios and if the Applewhite tag shows up as the author, then it is not a reliable indicator of forgery or his involvement.

    That’s how an investigator works. Hermitian believes that the presence of Applewhite in some tags PROVES that applewhite was the actual one doing the editing. A simple experiment could have been done to see how reasonable such a scenario would be.

    Did Hermitian do this experiment? I believe I and Kevin did and it rejects his claims.

  23. NBC says:

    September 3, 2013 at 20:53

    “”Which gives the PROOF that Applewhite was the creator and producer of both the ABC PDF and the Muscatine Journal PDF””.

    “I did post the JIFF information… Sigh… It’s for the DCS103A document”

    HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
    Let’s see the link to your post.
    HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

    “There is NO evidence that either document was created by Applewhite. Hermitian confuses having the author show up as Applewhite as evidence, when in fact, importing the jpeg into photoshop, which anyone can do, shows how the PDF takes the information from the JPEG (JFIF for Hermitian’s benefit).”
    HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
    Except that maybe all that Photoshop stuff that you claim that the Muscatine Journal’s staff added when they loaded your AP JPEG into Photoshop CS2 was already in the AP JPEG that you claim to have downloaded from the AP website. In that case, with that fact already in hand then we know that you were dead wrong. We know that the Muscatine Journal’s staff did not use Photoshop CS2 to remove the pale-Blue background from the “AP JPEG” as you claimed. Instead the AP created the Photoshop PDF and then sent it to the Muscatine Journal to publish. After all that’s a big part of the AP’s business.

    The AP then applied Adobe Acrobat 8.26 to a modified version of the AP JFIF (i.e. containing all of the added Photoshop stuff) and then saved this as an Adobe PDF. The AP then sent this second PDF to ABC to publish.
    HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

    “So far I have done all that you have asked. Stop blaming me my friend.”

    HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
    Nope ! You haven’t posted the METADATA from the AP JFIF or posted a link to the same METADATA that you claim to have already posted. Why don’t you ask your sidekick WKV ? I’m sure he could produce the METADATA. Unlike you he uses some modern high-level tools.
    HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

    “Do the experiment. It’s trivial”

    “Open Photoshop
    “Open .jpg file
    “Save as
    “Select PDF
    “Make sure that the defaults include:
    “Preserve editing capabilities
    “Embed thumbnail
    “save..

    “Now look at the raw PDF…

    “A miracle?…

    HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
    Wrong experiment Dude. That one doesn’t prove anything. So don’t ask me to repeat a dumb experiment that you and your sidekick decided to run in a vacuum. I could have saved you a lot of time if you had just run that idea by me.

    I don’t waste my time on irevelant experiments. I prefer to eliminate all of the irrelevant degrees of freedom.

    That’s the only way to uncover the truth.

    You have a real problem with nailing down the details and relevant facts on the original documents which are the starting point of all of your experiments.

    Just remember if you don’t know the chain of custody and contents for the original documents upon which all of your subsequent results depend then you are not doing research. Instead you are creating propaganda.

    And right now propaganda is all you’ve got.

    So either cough up the AP JFIF METADATA or the link to same.

    Otherwise, get busy on retracting all of your bogus claims on the Muscatine and ABC PDFs. If you don’t then I will and you won’t like the results.

  24. Wrong experiment Dude. That one doesn’t prove anything. So don’t ask me to repeat a dumb experiment that you and your sidekick decided to run in a vacuum. I could have saved you a lot of time if you had just run that idea by me.

    Fine, ignore my advice and continue to embarrass yourself. Not much of a concern to me…

    I am just following where the data is leading us. Simple…

    Which is why people are having a bit of a hard time rebutting my findings.

    And if you cannot find the posting in which I posted the DCS103A metadata then well, I cannot help you any further.

    Keep up the good work.

  25. Except that maybe all that Photoshop stuff that you claim that the Muscatine Journal’s staff added when they loaded your AP JPEG into Photoshop CS2 was already in the AP JPEG that you claim to have downloaded from the AP website.

    Huh? That’s exactly what I am saying… When the Muscatine Journal got the JPEG they imported it into photoshop and with it came all the metadata of the JPEG.

    You can even do the experiment and observe this. And I did not download any AP JPEG, I got it from my friendly sidekick. And yes, of course all the data are there.

    Where have you been my friend..

  26. Hermitian: Let’s see the link to your post.

    Look up… You may even search for dcs103a… Need any more help?

    Come on Hermitian… You can do it…

  27. Except that maybe all that Photoshop stuff that you claim that the Muscatine Journal’s staff added when they loaded your AP JPEG into Photoshop CS2

    That’s your claim, dumbshit. Our claim was that it was already in the AP JPEG.

  28. That’s your claim, dumbshit. Our claim was that it was already in the AP JPEG.

    ROTFL… He is cute but slow…

  29. The AP JPEG

    <photoshop:Source>AP</photoshop:Source>
    <photoshop:Country>USA</photoshop:Country>
    <photoshop:Credit>AP</photoshop:Credit>
    <photoshop:City>Washington</photoshop:City>
    <photoshop:CaptionWriter>JSA RCL**DC**</photoshop:CaptionWriter>
    <photoshop:DateCreated>2011-04-27T08:53:21</photoshop:DateCreated>
    <photoshop:TransmissionReference>DCSA103</photoshop:TransmissionReference>
    <photoshop:State>DC</photoshop:State>
    <photoshop:Urgency>5</photoshop:Urgency>
    <photoshop:Instructions>HANDOUT IMAGE PROVIDED BY THE WHITE HOUSE</photoshop:Instructions>
    <photoshop:Category>A</photoshop:Category>

    and when imported and saved as PDF using photoshop it shows

    <dc:format>application/pdf</dc:format>
    <dc:title>
    <rdf:Alt>
    <rdf:li xml:lang=”x-default”>Obama</rdf:li>
    </rdf:Alt>
    </dc:title>
    <dc:creator>
    <rdf:Seq>
    <rdf:li>J. Scott Applewhite</rdf:li>
    </rdf:Seq>
    </dc:creator>
    <dc:description>
    <rdf:Alt>
    <rdf:li xml:lang=”x-default”>This handout image provided by the White House shows a copy of the long form of President Barack Obama’s birth certificate from Hawaii. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)</rdf:li>
    </rdf:Alt>
    </dc:description>
    <dc:rights>
    <rdf:Alt>
    <rdf:li xml:lang=”x-default”>AP2011</rdf:li>
    </rdf:Alt>
    </dc:rights>

  30. Lord that boy is dense.

    I could swear I mentioned *at least* once, on this very blog, recently, that Photoshop retains metadata.

    Got to keep that selective confusion schtick going to keep your Just Say Anything™ campaign limping on life support, eh, Herms?

  31. JPotter: Got to keep that selective confusion schtick going to keep your Just Say Anything™ campaign limping on life support, eh, Herms?

    Well, he is trying, you should give him that much😉

  32. I have successfully extracted a JFIF file from the Muscatine Journal PDF file “4db82608b486f. pdf”. The METADATA from this JFIF is as follows:

    ?xpacket begin=” ” id=”W5M0MpCehiHzreSzNTczkc9d”?
    x:xmpmeta xmlns:x=”adobe:ns:meta ” x:xmptk=”Adobe XMP Core 5.5-c014 79.151481, 2013/03/13-12:09:15 ”
    rdf:RDF xmlns:rdf=”http: http://www.w3.org 1999 02 22-rdf-syntax-ns#”
    rdf:Description rdf:about=””
    xmlns:xmpMM=”http: ns.adobe.com xap 1.0 mm ”
    xmlns:dc=”http: purl.org dc elements 1.1 ”
    xmlns:photoshop=”http: ns.adobe.com photoshop 1.0 ”
    xmlns:tiff=”http: ns.adobe.com tiff 1.0 ”
    xmlns:exif=”http: ns.adobe.com exif 1.0 ”
    xmlns:xmp=”http: ns.adobe.com xap 1.0 ”
    xmpMM:DocumentID 5C953434B2B69064EB771C8439FDE8F0 xmpMM:DocumentID
    xmpMM:InstanceID 5C953434B2B69064EB771C8439FDE8F0 xmpMM:InstanceID
    dc:format image jpeg dc:format
    photoshop:ColorMode 3 photoshop:ColorMode
    tiff:ImageWidth 1043 tiff:ImageWidth
    tiff:ImageLength 1243 tiff:ImageLength
    tiff:BitsPerSample
    rdf:Seq
    rdf:li 8 rdf:li
    rdf:li 8 rdf:li
    rdf:li 8 rdf:li
    rdf:Seq
    tiff:BitsPerSample
    tiff:PhotometricInterpretation 2 tiff:PhotometricInterpretation
    tiff:SamplesPerPixel 3 tiff:SamplesPerPixel
    tiff:XResolution 72 : 1 tiff:XResolution
    tiff:YResolution 72 : 1 tiff:YResolution
    tiff:ResolutionUnit 2 tiff:ResolutionUnit
    exif:ExifVersion 0221 exif:ExifVersion
    exif:ColorSpace 65535 exif:ColorSpace
    exif:PixelXDimension 1043 exif:PixelXDimension
    exif:PixelYDimension 1243 exif:PixelYDimension
    xmp:CreateDate 2013-09-01T13:10:20-04:00 xmp:CreateDate
    xmp:ModifyDate 2013-09-01T13:51:30-04:00 xmp:ModifyDate
    xmp:MetadataDate 2013-09-01T13:51:30-04:00 xmp:MetadataDate
    rdf:Description
    rdf:RDF
    x:xmpmeta

    Notice that my JFIF extraction tool replaced the original CreateDate, ModifyDate, and MetadataDate.

    Notice also that the word “Photoshop” is mentioned only four times in the JFIF METADATA. Consequently the JFIF METADATA extracted from the Muscatine and AP JFIF files are significantly different. The Muscatine JFIF METADATA contains no credits to Scott Applewhite, the caption writer or the AP Washington DC Headquarters.

    Also, as I had just reported that the METADATA that I had extracted from the AP ABC News PDF contains no reference to Photoshop. To the contrary however, the METADATA that I extracted from the JFIF (that I extracted from the AP ABC News PDF) contains tons of references to Photoshop, the AP and also the Scott Applewhite and AP caption writer credits. However these items were completely missing from the METADATA that I extracted from the AP ABC News PDF. Isn’t that odd ? Lots of references to Photoshop in the JFIF going in to Adobe Acrobat 8.26 but zero references to Photoshop coming out.

    This Muscatine JFIF METADATA contains no long list of Photoshop references that were imported from the JFIF into some “ficticious” Photoshop session carried out by the Muscatine Journal staff in Iowa.

    That was just a fairy tale invented by NBC and his sidekick WKV to deflect attention away from the AP staff to the Muscatine Journal staff. Fortunately, we can now say for sure that all that the Muscatine Journal staff did was to publish the PDF that AP supplied to them.

    Instead the references to the AP Washington DC headquarters and the crediits to Scott Applewhite and the AP caption writer that I found in the METADATA from the AP ABC News JFIF were all entered by the AP staff in a Photoshop CS2 session carried out by the AP staff before they saved the image as a Photoshop PDF and E-Mailed it to the Muscatine Journal.

    The AP staff then loaded the Photoshop PDF into Adobe Acrobat 8.26 and then saved it as an Adobe PDF. This was done to intentionally strip out the Photoshop METADATA so that the Adobe PDF supplied to ABC would not contain any evidence that Photoshop had been used to create the ABC PDF.

    The source of the date 2013/03/13-12:09:15 near the top of the METADATA above is unknown. I will try to determine if it is associated with my bitmap extractor or maybe some Adobe code. If not then this date is problematic. This date would indicate that someone touched the file long after its initial release.

    Examination of the Muscatine Journal PDF and the JFIF extracted from the Muscatine Journal PDF revaled that the page dimensions and pixel resolutions are consistent with my previous posts.

    The page dimensions in pixels W = 1043 ; H = 1243 and the pixel resolution of 72 PPI x 72 PPI are consistent with the large page size and low resolution of this JFIF image that I reported earlier for the Xerox 7535 scan to PDF file. The page size of the Muscatine JFIF is

    W = 1043 P x 1/(72 PPI) = 14.486 in.
    H = 1243 P x 1/(72 PPI) = 17.264 in.

    The size in pixels (W = 1043 ; H = 1243) together with the Muscatine Journal PDF resolution of 120 PPI x 120 PPI (when the PDF is opened in Illustrator CC) is also consistent with the smaller page dimensions of the final PDF image.

    W = 1043 P x 1/(120 PPI) = 8.692 in. (close to 8.695 in.)

    H = 1243 P x 1/(120 PPI) = 10.358 in. (Close to 10.355 in.)

    However, the 200 PPI x 200 PPI resolution at this same page size in inches is available when the same PDF is opened in Photoshop CC.

    W = 626 P x 1/(72 PPI) = 8.695 in. x 200 PPI = 1739 P

    H = 745.6 P x 1/(72 PPI) = 10.355 in. x 200 PPI = 2071 P

    Thus, two different PDF images, having different pixel resolutions, can be viewed from the same Photoshop PDF file depending on whether the PDF file is opened in Adobe Illustrator CC (120 PPI x 120 PPI) or Adobe Photoshop CC (200 PPI x 200 PPI). This unexpected result is evidently due to the fact that Adobe Photoshop PDF files and Adobe PDF files are not necessarily created equal.

    The large page size (14.486 in. x 17.264 in.) and low resolution (72 PPI x 72 PPI) are not inconsistent with a human forger having created the image using a MAC OS and graphics program.

    The METADATA from the Muscatine Journal PDF file “4db82608b486f. pdf”. The METADATA from this PDF is as follows:

    ?xpacket begin=” ” id=”W5M0MpCehiHzreSzNTczkc9d”?
    x:xmpmeta xmlns:x=”adobe:ns:meta/” x:xmptk=”Adobe XMP Core 5.5-c014 79.151481, 2013/03/13-12:09:15 ”
    rdf:RDF xmlns:rdf=”http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#”
    rdf:Description rdf:about=””
    xmlns:photoshop=”http://ns.adobe.com/photoshop/1.0/”
    xmlns:dc=”http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/”
    xmlns:xmpMM=”http://ns.adobe.com/xap/1.0/mm/”
    xmlns:stRef=”http://ns.adobe.com/xap/1.0/sType/ResourceRef#”
    xmlns:xmp=”http://ns.adobe.com/xap/1.0/”
    xmlns:xmpGImg=”http://ns.adobe.com/xap/1.0/g/img/”
    xmlns:pdf=”http://ns.adobe.com/pdf/1.3/”
    xmlns:pdfx=”http://ns.adobe.com/pdfx/1.3/”
    xmlns:tiff=”http://ns.adobe.com/tiff/1.0/”
    xmlns:exif=”http://ns.adobe.com/exif/1.0/”
    xmlns:xmpRights=”http://ns.adobe.com/xap/1.0/rights/”
    photoshop:Source AP /photoshop:Source
    photoshop:Country USA /photoshop:Country
    photoshop:Credit AP /photoshop:Credit
    photoshop:City Washington /photoshop:City
    photoshop:CaptionWriter JSA RCL**DC** /photoshop:CaptionWriter
    photoshop:DateCreated 2011-04-27 /photoshop:DateCreated
    photoshop:TransmissionReference DCSA103 /photoshop:TransmissionReference
    photoshop:State DC /photoshop:State
    photoshop:Urgency 5 /photoshop:Urgency
    photoshop:Instructions HANDOUT IMAGE PROVIDED BY THE WHITE HOUSE /photoshop:Instructions
    photoshop:Category A /photoshop:Category
    photoshop:AuthorsPosition STF /photoshop:AuthorsPosition
    photoshop:ColorMode 3 /photoshop:ColorMode
    photoshop:ICCProfile QCT RGB settings /photoshop:ICCProfile
    dc:format application/pdf /dc:format
    dc:title
    rdf:Alt
    rdf:li xml:lang=”x-default” Obama /rdf:li
    /rdf:Alt
    /dc:title
    dc:creator
    rdf:Seq
    rdf:li J. Scott Applewhite /rdf:li
    /rdf:Seq
    /dc:creator
    dc:description
    rdf:Alt
    rdf:li xml:lang=”x-default” This handout image provided by the White House shows a copy of the long form of President Barack Obama’s birth certificate from Hawaii. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite) /rdf:li
    /rdf:Alt
    /dc:description
    dc:rights
    rdf:Alt
    rdf:li xml:lang=”x-default” AP2011 /rdf:li
    /rdf:Alt
    /dc:rights
    xmpMM:DocumentID uuid:407BCEBAD670E011A7CCFF16F5ECB385 /xmpMM:DocumentID
    xmpMM:InstanceID uuid:7e1f163c-6f1d-42e9-ada7-df067f93f5c2 /xmpMM:InstanceID
    xmpMM:DerivedFrom rdf:parseType=”Resource”
    stRef:instanceID uuid:92A2FF353970E011A7CCFF16F5ECB385 /stRef:instanceID
    stRef:documentID uuid:92A2FF353970E011A7CCFF16F5ECB385 /stRef:documentID
    /xmpMM:DerivedFrom
    xmp:CreateDate 2011-04-27T09:00:38-05:00 /xmp:CreateDate
    xmp:ModifyDate 2013-06-20T15:47:57-04:00 /xmp:ModifyDate
    xmp:MetadataDate 2011-04-27T09:01:39-05:00 /xmp:MetadataDate
    xmp:CreatorTool Adobe Photoshop CS2 Windows /xmp:CreatorTool
    xmp:Thumbnails
    rdf:Alt
    rdf:li rdf:parseType=”Resource”
    xmpGImg:format JPEG /xmpGImg:format
    xmpGImg:height 256 /xmpGImg:height
    xmpGImg:width 215 /xmpGImg:width
    xmpGImg:image

    [Stream]

    xmpGImg:image
    /rdf:li
    /rdf:Alt
    /xmp:Thumbnails
    pdf:Producer Adobe Photoshop for Windows — Image Conversion Plug-in /pdf:Producer
    pdfx:PXCViewerInfo PDF-XChange Viewer;2.5.210.0;Feb 25 2013;15:35:42;D:20130620154757-04’00’ /pdfx:PXCViewerInfo
    tiff:Orientation 1 /tiff:Orientation
    tiff:XResolution 2000000/10000 /tiff:XResolution
    tiff:YResolution 2000000/10000 /tiff:YResolution
    tiff:ResolutionUnit 2 /tiff:ResolutionUnit
    exif:ColorSpace 65535 /exif:ColorSpace
    exif:PixelXDimension 1739 /exif:PixelXDimension
    exif:PixelYDimension 2071 /exif:PixelYDimension
    xmpRights:Marked False /xmpRights:Marked
    /rdf:Description
    /rdf:RDF
    /x:xmpmeta
    ?xpacket end=”w”?

    Note that the “xpacket begin” variable is the same for the Muscatine Journal PDF and the AP PDF. However, the extracted JFIF METADATA and the JFIF files are not the same for these two PDFs.

    ?xpacket begin=” ” id=”W5M0MpCehiHzreSzNTczkc9d”?

    Thus the JFIF file extracted from the Muscatine Journal PDF was most likely the “ancestor” of both PDF files. However the parent JFIF files of each PDF had different METADATA. AP staff placed each different JFIF file into a PDF wrapper and sent the first PDF to the Muscatine Journal and the second PDF to ABC news. Both of these PDFs were published by these two news outlets on 04/27/2011.

    The bottom line is that the METADATA extracted from the Muscatine Journal’s PDF contains many references to Photoshop and references to AP, Scott Applewhite, and the AP caption writer. But the extracted METADATA from the JFIF that was extracted from the Muscatine Journal PDF only has four references to Photoshop and no references to the AP, Scott Applewhite and the caption writer.

    Conversely, the METADATA extracted from the ABC News PDF contains zero references to Photoshop, the AP, Scott Applewhite and the AP caption writer. But the METADATA extracted from the JFIF that was extracted from the ABC News PDF contains many references to Photoshop, and references to the AP, Scott Applewhite, and the caption writer.

    Just business as usual in Obamaland.

  33. The bottom line is that the METADATA extracted from the Muscatine Journal’s PDF contains many references to Photoshop and references to AP, Scott Applewhite, and the AP caption writer. But the extracted METADATA from the JFIF that was extracted from the Muscatine Journal PDF only has four references to Photoshop and no references to the AP, Scott Applewhite and the caption writer.

    So we showed Hermitian to be wrong and now he insists that some METADATA should be found where? Fascinating…

    Anyone can do the experiment. Take the AP JPEG or any JPEG, import into photoshop and save as PDF.

    You can also repeat the same using Acrobat Pro. All show how the workflow outlined by me and Kevin are fully supported by the findings.

    Fascinating how deep he can dig himself…

    Conversely, the METADATA extracted from the ABC News PDF contains zero references to Photoshop, the AP, Scott Applewhite and the AP caption writer. But the METADATA extracted from the JFIF that was extracted from the ABC News PDF contains many references to Photoshop, and references to the AP, Scott Applewhite, and the caption writer.

  34. Thus, two different PDF images, having different pixel resolutions, can be viewed from the same Photoshop PDF file depending on whether the PDF file is opened in Adobe Illustrator CC (120 PPI x 120 PPI) or Adobe Photoshop CC (200 PPI x 200 PPI). This unexpected result is evidently due to the fact that Adobe Photoshop PDF files and Adobe PDF files are not necessarily created equal.

    Hermitian has uncovered the ‘preserve editing capabilities’ in Photoshop PDF’s…

    Fascinating… Now let’s see him digest this information and come to a full understanding.

    Take the AP JPEG
    Import it into Photoshop
    Save to PDF
    Make sure the following settings are still selected
    * preserve editing capabilities
    * embed thumbnail

    And compare the resulting PDF with the Muscatine PDF.

    Simple experiment…

    He has all the data but still fails to properly connect the dots…

    And yet, the experiments are simple and show no support for our friend’s wishful thinking about ‘forgers’ and so on. Just another simple workflow…

    Boy oh boy..
    S

  35. The readers can just regard my previous comment regarding the “xpacket begin” variable.

    “Note that the “xpacket begin” variable is the same for the Muscatine Journal PDF and the AP PDF. However, the extracted JFIF METADATA and the JFIF files are not the same for these two PDFs.

    ?xpacket begin=” ” id=”W5M0MpCehiHzreSzNTczkc9d”?”

    This turns out to be required by the XMP specification and must always be the same string.

    See: http://crosstech.crossref.org/2007/09/w5m0mpcehihzreszntczkc9d.html

    “W5M0MpCehiHzreSzNTczkc9d”

    “What on earth can this string mean: ‘W5M0MpCehiHzreSzNTczkc9d’? This occurs in the XMP packet header:

    “?xpacket begin=” id=’W5M0MpCehiHzreSzNTczkc9d’?

    “Well from the XMP Specification (September 2005) which is available here there is this text:

    ““The required id attribute must follow begin. For all packets defined by this version of the syntax, the value of id is the following string: W5M0MpCehiHzreSzNTczkc9d”

    “(See: 3 XMP Storage Model / XMP Packet Wrapper / Header / Attribute: id)”

    So it’s just a red herring…Forget it.

  36. Two simple experiments:

    Take the AP JPEG and import it into Acrobat Pro and save. Extract JPEG and look at the metadata.

    The document shows no title, author or subject

    Producer: Adobe Acrobat 11.0.3 Image Conversion
    Plug-in
    Creator: Adobe Acrobat 11.0.3

    Versus AP PDF

    Empty Title, author and subject

    Producer: Adobe Acrobat 8.26 Image Conversion Plug-in
    Creator: Adobe Acrobat 8.26

    Extract the embedded JPEG and the metadata is still there.

    No do the same in Photoshop. No more metadata in the JPEG but metadata in the PDF. Just like the Muscatine PDF.

    Title: Obama
    Author: J. Scott Applewhite
    Subject: This handout image provided by the White House shows a copy of the long form of President Barack Obama’s birth certificate from Hawaii. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)

    So the workflow stands but there are some interesting details that require explanation

    Latest photoshop does not follow JFIF standard and encodes in YCCK color space (inverted as well) not YCbCr. What does CS2 do…

  37. Kevin, when saving as PDF in photoshop what is the metadata for producer and creator?

    That computer is gone for the rest of the week (it’s actually my wife’s computer – I got Photoshop as a birthday present for her many years ago and have never upgraded). I may still have Photoshop on the old desktop to try to rerun the experiment, but will have to recommission it to find out. I may have something in the morning.

  38. I have successfully extracted a JFIF file from the Muscatine Journal PDF file “4db82608b486f. pdf”. The METADATA from this JFIF is as follows:
    <snip>
    tiff:ImageWidth 1043 tiff:ImageWidth
    tiff:ImageLength 1243 tiff:ImageLength

    Congratulations, you found the modified JPEG, after the blue was taken out. For those of you who understand PDF encoding -obviously Hermie is not a member of that set- this is Object 11. Note that this is not the original JPEG imported into Photoshop, but rather the final image, and in the PDF it is not in JFIF or Exif format (the JFIF metadata was added by your expensive high-end JFIF extractor, btw – might want to look into getting an extractor that doesn’t change the metadata if you’re going to keep trolling this red herring, Hermie). Therefore, we do not expect it to contain the original metadata (which is not the same as expecting it not to contain the original metadata, but rather the NULL position).

  39. Kevin, when saving as PDF in photoshop what is the metadata for producer and creator?

    Also, there’s a lot of metadata buried in these conversion files – which set of metadata should I be looking at?

  40. Import AP JPEG into Photoshop, save to PDF. Check out the Content Creator and Producer of the PDF itself. That is the metadata of the PDF.

  41. I have a question… who really gives a good goddamn about the Muscatine document, and what the hell does it have to do with anything posted by the Whitehouse on their webpage?

  42. “when saving as PDF in photoshop what is the metadata for producer and creator?”

    FWIW – my Adobe Photoshop CS2 shows PDFs application to be “Adobe Photoshop CS2 Windows” and the PDF Producer to be “Adobe Photoshop for Windows – Image Conversion Plug-in” with the PDF Version to be “1.6 (Acrobat 7.x)”.

  43. Here’s the metadata object:

    6 0 obj<</CreationDate(D:20130904091848-04’00’)/Subject(This handout image provided by the White House shows a copy of the long form of President Barack Obama’s birth certificate from Hawaii. \(AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite\))/Author(J. Scott Applewhite)/Creator( Adobe Photoshop CS2 Windows)/Producer(Adobe Photoshop for Windows — Image Conversion Plug-in)/ModDate(D:20130904091926-04’00’)/Title(Obama)>>

    endobj

  44. I have a question… who really gives a good goddamn about the Muscatine document, and what the hell does it have to do with anything posted by the Whitehouse on their webpage?

    This is Hermitian’s dead end nonsense and a complete waste of time. He doesn’t understand metadata and time zones so as usual whatever he doesn’t understand is proof of a forgery. It is more of the same nonsense and ignorance on his part that led to the completely absurd theory that a new forgery was cooked up by someone to submit in a response by the defense it the Mississippi case.

    It is frustrating. Someone coming to this blog to learn what this “Xerox evidence is all about” would be greeted with 50 articles on something called “Muscatine”. They might thing they had stumbled into a discussion about wine.

    Hermitian is not interested in intelligent discussion. He is intentionally obfuscating and NBC is playing his game. He should either be banned or relegated to one topic like Fogbow does with people not interested in open discussion.

  45. NBC says:

    September 4, 2013 at 01:04

    “”Thus, two different PDF images, having different pixel resolutions, can be viewed from the same Photoshop PDF file depending on whether the PDF file is opened in Adobe Illustrator CC (120 PPI x 120 PPI) or Adobe Photoshop CC (200 PPI x 200 PPI). This unexpected result is evidently due to the fact that Adobe Photoshop PDF files and Adobe PDF files are not necessarily created equal.””

    “Hermitian has uncovered the ‘preserve editing capabilities’ in Photoshop PDF’s…”

    HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
    Nope! I’m fully aware of the preserve editing capability in Photoshop. I’m also aware of the preserve editing capability in Illustrator.
    So what you are saying is that Applewhite selected the “preserve editing capability” when he save the Muscatine PDF from Photoshop ?
    I agree. That’s exactly what Applewhite did. (or maybe some other AP staffer pretending to be Applewhite)
    Did it ever occur to you that the JFIF extracted from the Muscatine Journal PDF is different from the JFIF extracted from the ABC News PDF ?
    I didn’t think so. How dense can one person be ? Or is it two persons ? WKV is strangely silent lately.
    HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

    “Fascinating… Now let’s see him digest this information and come to a full understanding.

    “Take the AP JPEG
    “Import it into Photoshop
    “Save to PDF
    “Make sure the following settings are still selected
    “* preserve editing capabilities
    “* embed thumbnail
    HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
    Now first of all I don’t have your “AP JPEG” that you claim to have gotten from your sidekick WKV. So even if I were crazy enough to try your meaningless experiment I couldn’t even if I wanted to and I don’t want to. I’m too busy tracking down all the false claims that you have posted on the Muscatine Journal PDF and the ABC News PDF. Now that we have a lock on the fact that both of these PDFs and (maybe the WH LFCOLB PDF) were produced by the AP staff. It’s about time that someone identify clearly each and every one of your bogus claims.

    Now if I had your “AP JPEG” , which I don’t, why would I want to import it into Photoshop and save it as a PDF to comapare to the Muscatine Journal PDF?

    I already have the JFIF file that the AP started with to create the Muscatine Journal PDF. I know that I have that very JFIF because I extracted it from the Muscatine Journal PDF. And I have posted the METADATA from that JFIF and it only contains the word Photoshop four times. Moreover it contains no references to the AP, Scott Applewhite and the AP caption writer.

    But I would still like to get your “AP JPEG” because that would allow me to wrap up one loose end for my research. I would like to carefully compare it to the JFIF file that I extracted from the ABC News PDF.
    HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

    “And compare the resulting PDF with the Muscatine PDF.

    “Simple experiment…

    “He has all the data but still fails to properly connect the dots…

    HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
    NBC finally got one thing right. I’m apparently the only one who has “all the data”.

    One thing is obvious. NBC doesn’t have “all the data”

    Maybe he should take the time to look at mine.
    HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

    “And yet, the experiments are simple and show no support for our friend’s wishful thinking about ‘forgers’ and so on. Just another simple workflow…”

    HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
    Talk about stuck on workflow. NBC’s simple experiment is simply wrong regardless of the results.

    It proves that if you start with the wrong JFIF and get the answer that NBC was wishing for then it must be the right workflow.

    NBC apparently still believes that his second hand “AP JPEG” that he borrowed from WKV was the starting file for both the Muscatine Journal PDF and the ABC News PDF.

    Too bad he is dead wrong. There are two different JFIF files.

    And the saddest fact of all is that there is no solid evidence that NBC’s “AP JPEG” was used for either. That’s because he will not release his “AP JPEG” to anyone who can prove him wrong.
    HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

    “Boy oh boy..”

    HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
    You can say that again.

  46. NBC says:

    September 4, 2013 at 03:32

    “Two simple experiments:”

    “Take the AP JPEG and import it into Acrobat Pro and save. Extract JPEG and look at the metadata.”

    HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
    1. I don’t have your “AP JPEG”

    2. You say you got your “AP JPEG” from your sidekick WKV.

    3. So either post a link to download your “AP JPEG” file or post a link to the AP JFIF on the AP website from which your pal downloaded it. Also post the AP Photo Number to establish your chain of custody for your “AP JPEG”.

  47. I cannot help but read most of Hermitian;s contributions here without becoming bored beyond tears. They are not merely irrelevant, they are frankly also just not very smart.

  48. That has ever been his strategy …. bore the competition away, so he can have the field by default. Even if he’s the only one left, he can then declare victory LOL

    Notice how he makes endless appeals to an imagined plurality?

  49. Hermitian: Now if I had your “AP JPEG” , which I don’t, why would I want to import it into Photoshop and save it as a PDF to comapare to the Muscatine Journal PDF?

    To understand how the Muscatine Journal created its PDF and why you got confused about the ‘author’.

    Simple experiments…

    As I have shown, starting with the AP JPEG and importing it into either Acrobat or Photoshop explains all these documents.

    Instead our poor friend is still holding on to another failed explanation.

    It’s where the data lead us. The experiments are simple and straightforward and I will be writing them up to show, once again, that Hermitian is wrong.

    I guess he has given up on the Xerox Workflow. Clever man…
    First he did not have access to a Xerox WorkCentre, then he did not have access to a Macintosh, then he could not properly extract a double filtered object stream, and now he cannot even create a JPEG that matches the AP JPEG’s metadata.

    Our researcher friend has some trouble doing the necessary experiments that allow one to eliminate far more likely hypotheses.

    I will report on my findings soon. Hermitian, as usual, has been extremely helpful helping me debunk yet another birther hypothesis or two.

  50. Hermitian
    1. I don’t have your “AP JPEG”

    2. You say you got your “AP JPEG” from your sidekick WKV.

    3. So either post a link to download your “AP JPEG” file or post a link to the AP JFIF on the AP website from which your pal downloaded it. Also post the AP Photo Number to establish your chain of custody for your “AP JPEG”.

    The AP has the JPEG for sale. WKV paid good money to understand the workflow… Nothing is stopping you my friend to do the work you need to do to establish your workflow and rebut the one I have outlined.

    But once again, you are blaming others… Fascinating… All these irrelevant requests, and all it takes is a simple experiment. Hint: You do not even need the original AP JPEG to do this.

    I will help you out in the next few days when I report on my experiments. Perhaps we can compare notes then🙂

  51. I cannot help but read most of Hermitian;s contributions here without becoming bored beyond tears. They are not merely irrelevant, they are frankly also just not very smart.

    I find it quite entertaining to see how he fails to do the simplest experiments that could enlighten him about the work flow and instead insists, against the data, that somehow the AP and Muscatine PDF’s were created by Applewhite… Not to mention some other fancy imaginations.

    Fascinating… How often can one be wrong…

  52. As I had expected.. Yes, the Muscatine PDF was created from the AP JPEG for sure.

    And the AP PDF similarly shows signs of having been created from the AP JPEG.

    What a little research and experiments can do for a hypothesis…

  53. For the AP JPEG (blue background):

    http://www.apimages.com/metadata/Index/Obama/400ef843b542462bb458f01b39012402/53/0

    This is DCSA103, with ID 110427018673

    I sent the DCSA103A to NBC, which can be found here:

    http://www.apimages.com/metadata/Index/Obama/6478c96a6173470da6ae87478dbd5e40/51/0

    ID is 11042713007

    Note that the metadata in these two JPEGS are nearly identical, the only difference that I found being the transmission reference. Have fun downloading them, Hermie! I was able to get them for $30 each, let me know if you figure out a way to get them for less. Oh, and the license on my copy expired after 24 hours, so NBC isn’t allowed to upload them.

    There’s another photo of the BC with a basketweave background on the APImages site, from a different source. Don’t know if it’s any different than the 103A, other than it’s a higher resolution.

    http://www.apimages.com/metadata/Index/REX-AP-FEARX-President-Obama-Statement-on-Birth-/4d8f09f54e594f2ead1c68ad3e233c98/104/0

  54. Oh, and the license on my copy expired after 24 hours, so NBC isn’t allowed to upload them.

    You take away all the fun… So factual…

  55. There’s another photo of the BC with a basketweave background on the APImages site, from a different source. Don’t know if it’s any different than the 103A, other than it’s a higher resolution

    Looks like a cropped version of the PDF one.

  56. Has Hermitian explained the differences in metadata yet for his version of the PDF versus the ones we looked at? Has he withdrawn his statement? Corrected it?

    So funny…

  57. W. Kevin Vicklund says:

    September 4, 2013 at 17:39


    For the AP JPEG (blue background):

    http://www.apimages.com/metadata/Index/Obama/400ef843b542462bb458f01b39012402/53/0

    This is DCSA103, with ID 110427018673

    I sent the DCSA103A to NBC, which can be found here:

    http://www.apimages.com/metadata/Index/Obama/6478c96a6173470da6ae87478dbd5e40/51/0

    ID is 11042713007

    Note that the metadata in these two JPEGS are nearly identical, the only difference that I found being the transmission reference. Have fun downloading them, Hermie! I was able to get them for $30 each, let me know if you figure out a way to get them for less. Oh, and the license on my copy expired after 24 hours, so NBC isn’t allowed to upload them.

    There’s another photo of the BC with a basketweave background on the APImages site, from a different source. Don’t know if it’s any different than the 103A, other than it’s a higher resolution.

    http://www.apimages.com/metadata/Index/REX-AP-FEARX-President-Obama-Statement-on-Birth-/4d8f09f54e594f2ead1c68ad3e233c98/104/0

    HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
    Thanks K. this will help. Were you able to retain your download of the AP JPEG after 24 hr or did you have to delete it ?

  58. NBC

    “I will help you out in the next few days when I report on my experiments. Perhaps we can compare notes then”

    HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
    NBC claims that he is way out in front but he needs several days to catch up.

    So what he is not telling you is that he is going to repeat everything that WKV has already done and then write it up.

    So exactly which previous claims are you taking down today NBC ?

  59. ROTFL… The claims about AP and Muscatine PDF my friend… I know, we already did a good job on that one but there are new experiments. But no rush… Confirmation is the name of the game…

    How are your experiments going?

  60. NBC – A little off topic. Does the 7655 allow you to adjust the sharpness when using the “scan to e-mail”. I know it has that capabilities when copying.

    The reason I ask, it might create stronger halos.

  61. Watch the beginning of this youtube that Doc. C posted about.
    Watch how the LFBC PDF loads in Corel Draw.

  62. Those marks are not missing, they are covered by the masking layer… ROTFL… At least she understands why the image is ‘sideways rotated’… That is how it was scanned.

  63. I wasn’t so much interested in the marks but that Corel Draw rotated the post-Preview PDF into the landscape mode.

  64. I understood… Yes, she understood why this happened. Remember what side is parallel to the scanning direction and what side is perpendicular. The top (in rotated form) aligns with the first scan line. Consider the orientation and how the scanning happens from left to right on Xerox. so the first scanline is at the top. However, you can determine if the document has been rotated 180 degrees by looking which side aligns with 8×8 bit boundaries as this is the ‘top’ side..

    Remember that the foreground images have two sides that are always at 8 bit boundaries and two sides that touch the internal ‘text’. You can experiment to see which side is which and then you can scan upside down and rotate and compare with the whitehouse PDF.

    Attention to little detail can help one make predictions that are somewhat unexpected such as that the document was scanned upside down and rotated 180 degrees by the recipient of the scan and printed to PDF using preview

    Combine experiments with observations and you can find out some fun stuff… But it requires one to appreciate the nuances. Now let’s hope that I did appreciate them correctly🙂

  65. I understand what you are saying, I’m just saying that it was the first time I’ve seen the White House PDF load in landscape in any software. In Illustrator, the program that loves to load Xerox PDFs in landscape, the WH PDF is in portrait mode. So maybe I’ve been assuming that Preview overwrites the code from the Xerox for landscape mode into portrait mode but obviously the original orientation of the PDF is still buried in the code.

  66. (I watched without sound, btw)

    Note that when it opens sideways in that video, she clicks on Edit Bitmap. In the resulting window, only the background is visible. So she’s actually looking at the JPEG layer, without the rotational data.

  67. I understand what you are saying, I’m just saying that it was the first time I’ve seen the White House PDF load in landscape in any software. In Illustrator, the program that loves to load Xerox PDFs in landscape, the WH PDF is in portrait mode.

    Ah… sorry I have so many things in and on my mind right now that this totally skipped my memory.

    The Xerox PDF uses a page wide rotate, preview changes this to an object rotation for each object. But the original image remains in its original scanned position.

  68. So she’s actually looking at the JPEG layer, without the rotational data.

    Makes a lot of sense.. And without the preview created masking layer.

    Nice of them to confirm our findings..

  69. The Muscatine Journal’s PDF file “4db82608b486f.pdf” contains three different images. (Actually four because the image of Obj 11 has been extracted in two different forms)

    These are:

    1. A .jpg extracted bitmap of pixel resolution 72 PPI x 72 PPI and page size of W = 14.486 in. x 17.264 in. This bitmap was DCT compressed.

    2. A .pdf image of pixel resolution of (approximately) 120 PPI x 120 PPI and page size of W = 8.695 in. x 10.355 in.

    Images 1. and 2. above are both associated with Obj 9 in the PDF.

    Image 1. can be observed by opening the .jpg bitmap in any graphics program that accepts .jpg bitmaps. Image 1. has also been extracted from the PDF file as a .png file. The resolution and page dimensions of the .jpg and .png are identical. Image 2. can be observed by opening the PDF file “4db82608b486f.pdf” in Adobe Illustrator CC or CS6.

    3. Two images that are both associated with Obj 11. These two images were Flate compressed. The first of these two images, I extracted from the PDF as a .png bitmap within a PDF parser. This image I posted as page 2 of the two-page document on 08/02/2013 here:

    This image on page 2 of the posted document has a pixel resolution of 72 PPI x 72 PPI and a page size of W = 1739 P = 24.153 in. ; H = 2071 P = 28.764 in. It is a dark multicolor looking page. However it actually consists of a LFCOLB image with a bright multicolor patchwork background. The patchwork background consists of individual pixels of solid bright colors in a unusual geometric pattern.

    The image on page 1 of this same two-page document is the .png version of the .jpg Image 1. above.

    The second image (also included in Image 3. above) is also associated with Obj 11. This image is the high resolution version of Image 2. above. This Image 3. has resolution of 200 PPI x 200 PPI and page dimensions W = 1739 P = 8.695 in. ; H = 2071 P = 10.355 in. This Image 3. can be observed by opening the Muscatine Journal PDF file “4db82608b486f.pdf” in Adobe Photoshop CC or CS6.

  70. “Nice of them to confirm our findings..”

    I think that was the point I was trying to make. She uploaded that two days after the LFBC PDF was released. She shows that the original PDF was scanned in landscape with the top of the form to the left. That’s what we’ve seen with almost all the Xerox PDFs and it is a remnant (for want of a better word) of the original scanned pre-Preview file.

  71. Hermitian: Two images that are both associated with Obj 11.

    Excellent find. They also show up when I import a JPEG into Photoshop and save it as PDF with editing enabled.

    Let’s explore… Looks like some history or layers that were used to correct for the hue.

  72. The ABC News PDF file “ap_obama_certificate_dm_110427.pdf” contains three different images.

    These are:

    1. A .jpg extracted bitmap of pixel resolution 72 PPI x 72 PPI and page size of W = 2698 P = 37.4722 in. ; H = 3234 P = 44.9167 in. This is an image of Object 8 that I extracted as a .jpg bitmap from within a PDF parser program.

    2. A .jpg extracted bitmap of pixel resolution 200 PPI x 200 PPI and page size of W = 2698 P = 13.49 in. ; H = 3234 P = 16.17 in. This .jpg was extracted from the PDF file.

    3. A .pdf image of pixel resolution 200 PPI x 200 PPI and page size of W = 2698 P = 13.49 in. ; H = 3234 P = 16.17 in. This image can be viewed by opening the Adobe PDF file in Adobe Illustrator CC or CS6. This same file will not open in Adobe Photoshop CC or CS6. An error message “Could not complete your request because of a program error”. There are no guarantees that Photoshop can open an Adobe PDF file. This finding is notable because the METADATA extracted from the .jpg file (in Image 2.) Indicates that photoshop was used to create the JPEG file that was subsequently used to create the Adobe PDF by means of Adobe Acrobat Pro 8.26.

    Another notable finding is that the .jpg (Image 2.) is the same page size and resolution as the .pdf file (Image 3). This finding was confirmed by extracting the .jpg using two different bitmap extractors.

    This was not the case for the .jpg image that I extracted from the Muscatine Journal PDF file “4db82608b486f.pdf”. In that case the .jpg image (previous Image 1.) that I extracted from the PDF had a larger page size and lower pixel resolution than the .pdf image (previous Image 2.).

    The page aspect ratio for the AP ABC News PDF image is 1.1987.

    The page aspect ratio for the Muscatine Journal PDF image is 1.1909.

    The Muscatine Journal PDF image appears to be slightly more cropped on the left, top and right sides than the AP ABC News PDF image.

    The page size of the AP ABC News PDF image is considerably larger than the page size of the Muscatine Journal PDF image and the maximum pixel resolution for each is the same 200 PPI x 200 PPI.

    Applying a uniform scaling to reduce the page size of the AP ABC PDF image to the page size of of the Muscatine Journal PDF image would result in an increase in pixel resolution from 200 PPI to approximately 312.5 PPI. Thus to match the two page sizes by scaling would require that pixels be eliminated from the AP ABC PDF image as its size is reduced to maintain a constant resolution of 200 PPI.

    To the contrary if the image page sizes were match by just cropping the AP ABC PDF image, then substantial areas of the certificate image would be eliminated in the cropped AP ABC News image.

    The PDF structure of the AP ABC News PDF file is much simpler than the PDF structure of the Muscatine Journal PDF file.

  73. A much simpler explanation is that the same JPEG was used to create the two PDF’s.

    So far there is nothing to support your assertions in any non ad hoc manner.

    I see that you still have not done the experiments.

  74. A word of caution: the “4db82608b486f.pdf” file Hermie is using has been modified from it’s original form. It appears that the objects have been re-arranged. In the file I have, downloaded direct from the Muscatine Journal’s original page, the images Hermie’s file associates with Obj 9 and 11 are instead associated with Obj 11 and 13, respectively. Note that this is not the first time that I have noted that Hermie is using a file that has been modified from the original version. He needs to double-check his downloading method to make sure he isn’t unintentionally changing the files as he saves them to his computer (it looks like Doug Vogt had the same problem).

  75. “The ABC News PDF file “ap_obama_certificate_dm_110427.pdf” contains three different images.”

    [drowse, drowse]

    ” These are: 1. A .jpg extracted bitmap of pixel resolution 72 PPI x 72 PPI and page size of W = 2698 P = …”

    [*SNNNoooooore*]

    “…. and therefore Obama was proven ineligible in 2011 and offered as a human sacrifice to the Statue of Liberty on national televsion.”

    *snork* Zzzz-slurp-Whaaaaaaa…? Did I miss something?

    Again, Herms, blind and groping an elephant, hasn’t a clue as to what he’s trying to explore/describe, and has nary a point anyway.
    I’m sure if he tries just ONE more time, that time will be the charm.

  76. While Hermie takes a time-out to get clean copies of the two files, let’s explore dome of the details.

    Compare these two statements from Hermie:

    The Muscatine Journal’s PDF file “4db82608b486f.pdf” contains three different images.

    These are:

    1. A .jpg extracted bitmap of pixel resolution 72 PPI x 72 PPI and page size of W = 14.486 in. x 17.264 in. This bitmap was DCT compressed.

    2. A .pdf image of pixel resolution of (approximately) 120 PPI x 120 PPI and page size of W = 8.695 in. x 10.355 in.

    Images 1. and 2. above are both associated with Obj 9 in the PDF.[WKV: Obj 11 in the unaltered version]

    The ABC News PDF file “ap_obama_certificate_dm_110427.pdf” contains three different images.

    These are:

    2. A .jpg extracted bitmap of pixel resolution 200 PPI x 200 PPI and page size of W = 2698 P = 13.49 in. ; H = 3234 P = 16.17 in. This .jpg was extracted from the PDF file.

    3. A .pdf image of pixel resolution 200 PPI x 200 PPI and page size of W = 2698 P = 13.49 in. ; H = 3234 P = 16.17 in.

    I assume, based on Hermie’s descriptions, that these are equivalent procedures ( I have left out the non-equivalent images).

    At this point, something should jump out at you. In the first set, the .jpg has a different resolution than the .pdf, but the same number of pixels, resulting in a change in overall page size. But in the second, the .jpg has the same resolution as the .pdf, resulting in no change in overall page size. Is there something different about the embedded .jpg that explains the difference?

    Yes, there is. In the Muscatine Journal pdf, the JPEG is not in JFIF format. Instead, it has the App14 Adobe application specific data (as follows), followed by the traditional tables and start of frame data.

    FF EE 00 0E 41 64 6F 62 65 00 64 80 00 00 00 01

    While this tells us that the colorspace is YCbCr, it contains no resolution data.

    On the other hand, the JPEG of the AP pdf is in JFIF format.

    FF E0 00 10 4A 46 49 46 00 01 01 01 00 C8 00 C8 00 00

    Let’s break this down a tad:

    FF E0 = App0 (JFIF format)
    00 10 = 16 bytes long (not including the FFE0)
    4A 46 49 46 00 = ASCII for “JFIF” w/ ending zero
    01 01 = JFIF version 1.01
    01 = unit is ppi
    00 C8 = horizontal resolution 200 ppi
    00 C8 = vertical resolution 200 ppi
    00 00 = no thumbnail (if non-zero, x y size of thumbnail in pixels)

    So this does give the resolution. The JFIF marker is repeated, for some reason, and is followed by an App13 Photoshop application specific data, which has some of the metadata, and then the traditional tables and start of frame.

    When these JPEGs are extracted, if there is no resolution data, most graphics programs will default to 72 ppi. And when JPEGs are created internally to a pdf, rather than imported from an external source, it doesn’t make any sense to include the resolution data. Why is that? Because of the way pdf works. When a pdf ‘paints’ an inline image onto a /Page (Artboard in Illustrator), it first paints it onto a unit square – that is, a square with corners at (0,0), (1,0), (0,1) and (1,1). The pdf then uses the current transform matrix (that ‘cm’ NBC and I keep talking about) to scale, translate, rotate, and skew the unit square. But because the image is painted onto a unit square first, all resolution data is lost, and has to be calculated from the current transform. Since the data is going to be lost anyway, it makes no sense to put it in the file, as it will make the file that much bigger (not an issue with single page files, but what about a 300 page bid document?). But when the JPEG is imported, often the graphics program won’t strip out the data.

    In the case of the Muscatine Journal pdf, the jpeg was imported, but subsequently altered by being trimmed, color balanced, and downsampled – all of which were lossy operations (yes, in this case even the trim). This meant that the resulting JPEG was created internally to the pdf, and thus did not have useless resolution data. In the case of the AP pdf, the JPEG was not altered, and so the only thing that was done was to shift some of the metadata from the JPEG to pdf (this can be done losslessly).

  77. To the contrary if the image page sizes were match by just cropping the AP ABC PDF image, then substantial areas of the certificate image would be eliminated in the cropped AP ABC News image.

    Indeed, this is exactly what happened.

  78. The document is full of surprises. Remember that the option to preserving editing capabilities encodes two images:

    One encoded in JPEG and one in native Photoshop format.

    I found two thumbnail images and one embedded image

    PDF Embedded image
    294,131 bytes
    1043 × 1243 pixels
    72 ppi

    Photoshop thumbnail
    7,433 bytes
    134 × 160 pixels
    72 ppi

    XMP thumbnail
    17,785 bytes
    215 × 256 pixels
    72 ppi

  79. Indeed, this is exactly what happened.

    Poor Hermitian is still looking for telltale signs… And he ignores the simple workflow…

    Hilarious..

  80. Checking the METADATA of the Muscatine Journal PDF in Adobe Bridge CC indicates that the AP has a copyright “AP2011” but the copyright status is UNKNOWN. The are no camera settings or GPS data. There is no camera raw data. Most of the expanded METADATA is blank.

  81. WKV wrote:“He needs to double-check his downloading method to make sure he isn’t unintentionally changing the files as he saves them to his computer (it looks like Doug Vogt had the same problem).”

    That was my read on Vogt’s weird results as well. While the different “versions” of the PDF he claims he was provided showed the identical images and image components, some of his “modification” date/time stamps were clearly associated with the act of their download. He asserted that they were signs that the PDF was being manipulated right up to the moment of posting (and apparently even afterwards) but he makes no effort to show us that any differences even exist.

  82. W. Kevin Vicklund says:

    September 5, 2013 at 02:33

    “A word of caution: the “4db82608b486f.pdf” file Hermie is using has been modified from it’s original form. It appears that the objects have been re-arranged. In the file I have, downloaded direct from the Muscatine Journal’s original page, the images Hermie’s file associates with Obj 9 and 11 are instead associated with Obj 11 and 13, respectively. Note that this is not the first time that I have noted that Hermie is using a file that has been modified from the original version. He needs to double-check his downloading method to make sure he isn’t unintentionally changing the files as he saves them to his computer (it looks like Doug Vogt had the same problem).”

    HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
    Why is it always my fault ?

    I took the time to dowload (for the first time) the version of the Muscatine Journal PDF from the link that NBC posted here earlier.

    See: http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/muscatinejournal.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/6/a6/6a633f26-70d9-11e0-8729-001cc4c002e0/4db82608b486f.pdf.pdf

    The filename that I downloaded from this link is “4db82608b486f.pdf copy.pdf” not “4db82608b486f.pdf”.

    Note that this link does not take one to the Muscatine Journal web site. Now how NBC found this townnews.com site is a mystery.

    Nevertheless I took the trouble to open this copy of the Muscatine Journal PDF in my PDF parser and checked the object numbers for the two images that WKV is griping about. The object numbers of these two objects are Object 9 and Object 11 as I previously reported.

    Now you may have noticed that WKV didn’t post the link to the version of the Muscatine file that he is working with. So as usual he and his sidekick NBC are leaving us guessing.

    I also took the time to re-download the PDF off the Muscatine Journal’s web site from here:

    http://muscatinejournal.com/pdf_6a633f26-70d9-11e0-8729-001cc4c002e0.html

    However, the download link now takes one to the townnews.com web site that NBC posted. The downloaded file name is again “4db82608b486f.pdf copy.pdf” not “4db82608b486f.pdf”.

    One other change that I notice is that now one can no longer click on the PDF Viewer or the “Click here to see the birth certificate” and produce a larger PDF image on the Muscatine website than is already displayed in the viewer window.

    I first downloaded the Muscatine PDF file “4db82608b486f.pdf” from the Muscatine Jouranl web site on 06/20/2013. At that time one could click on the small image in the viewer window and pull up a larger image.

    I rechecked the object numbers in my original PDF file both with a PDF parser and with 010 Editor. Today the object numbers for the two objects that WKV is complaining about are still Object 9 and Object 11.

    I first stumbled onto the Muscatine copy when I read the article from the Post & Email posted here:

    http://beforeitsnews.com/obama-birthplace-controversy/2011/06/a-tangled-web-tales-of-obamas-lfcolb-part-one-701024.html

    WKV should know that different PDF parsers and PDF Editors often reorder and renumber the objects in a given PDF. Without knowing his source for his copy of the Muscatine Journal PDF or the specific software that he is using to examine it then I can’t help him.

    But whatever his problem is, It’s not my fault.

  83. Based on some of WKV’s posts, it seems that he is a user of a MAC OS computer. The reader should be aware that MAC OS has a long history of doing weird stuff with PDF files. Maybe WKV should take a look at the Muscatine Journal PDF with a Windows computer before blaming me for his problems.

  84. W. Kevin Vicklund says:

    September 5, 2013 at 04:59

    “”To the contrary if the image page sizes were matched by just cropping the AP ABC PDF image, then substantial areas of the certificate image would be eliminated in the cropped AP ABC News image.””

    “Indeed, this is exactly what happened.”

    HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
    Remember these words of WKV’s. Because he’s going to have to eat them later.

    Here’s the image that one obtains by symmetrically cropping the page size of the AP ABC News PDF down to the pages size of the Muscatine Journal PDF usingTracker PDF-Tools.

    I’m not sure what PDF editing capabilities that this PDF-Tool retains.

    Giving WKV the benefit of the doubt — I believe he meant to say scale, and then crop.

    And he’s going to have to do a downsample in there somewhere…

    Consequently, if one only crops the AP ABC News PDF then one gets an image at 200 PPI x 200 PPI the same size as the Muscatine Journal PDF with significant outer portions of the certificate missing. I have proved this fact by posting a link to the cropped image above.

    It must be that the dynamic duo is sooooooo…. far out in front that they have forgotten all the right answers.

  85. I have asked Doug Vogt to send me a copy of the first PDF he claims was posted at 7:50 AM. It is curious that he would not show a screen shot of the PDF producer on that one.

  86. Most of the expanded METADATA is blank.

    Wow… And the relevance in that is exactly what? Note that the AP JPEG never contained such information…

    ‘good work’ m friend… But have you done the experiments I suggested you should be doing?

  87. Gorefan: NBC – A little off topic. Does the 7655 allow you to adjust the sharpness when using the “scan to e-mail”. I know it has that capabilities when copying.

    I don’t know about the 7655, but the 7545 has various image adjustments available in scan to email including sharpness, contrast, etc. The user can also adjust the resolution, adjust the width of the Edge Erase, select file type, and for PDFs, make them image only or searchable.

  88. Checking the METADATA of the Muscatine Journal PDF in Adobe Bridge CC indicates that the AP has a copyright “AP2011″ but the copyright status is UNKNOWN. The are no camera settings or GPS data. There is no camera raw data. Most of the expanded METADATA is blank.

    This is also true of the AP JPEG and the ABC PDF. BTW, have you made sure to get a clean copy of the Muscatine Journal PDF and the ABC PDF? It appears that the means you were using to download them was overwriting some of the METADATA and in at least one case reordering the file structure.

  89. But whatever his problem is, It’s not my fault

    Ah, I see, you are letting your ‘pdf tools’ confuse you rather than looking at the raw data..

  90. NBC says:

    September 5, 2013 at 18:06

    “”But whatever his problem is, It’s not my fault””

    “Ah, I see, you are letting your ‘pdf tools’ confuse you rather than looking at the raw data.”.

    HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
    Well I was just straightening out your sidekick WKV by applying my set of Tracker Software PDF-Tools 4.0.

    He claimed that the Muscatine Journal PDF image was produced by simply cropping the page size of the AP NBC News PDF to the smaller page size of the Muscatine Journal image.

    So I followed his advise and cropped the AP NBC News PDF. The resulting image is posted here:

    You be the judge…

  91. W. Kevin Vicklund says:

    September 5, 2013 at 17:48

    “”Checking the METADATA of the Muscatine Journal PDF in Adobe Bridge CC indicates that the AP has a copyright “AP2011″ but the copyright status is UNKNOWN. The are no camera settings or GPS data. There is no camera raw data. Most of the expanded METADATA is blank.””

    “This is also true of the AP JPEG and the ABC PDF. BTW, have you made sure to get a clean copy of the Muscatine Journal PDF and the ABC PDF? It appears that the means you were using to download them was overwriting some of the METADATA and in at least one case reordering the file structure.”

    HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
    I posted a long answer to your original question above. Read my post and then post your link to your “fresh copy” of the MJ PDF.
    The MJ page now redirects to another site. I downloaded my original copy off the MJ web site on 06/20/2013 before the changes were made to the MJ download link. The file that downloads from the redirected site now has “copy” in the file name.

    I have never had any problems with WIN 7 download changing PDF files.

  92. NBC

    You won’t like the results of my experiments with my extracted JFIF from the AP ABC News PDF.

  93. I first downloaded the Muscatine PDF file “4db82608b486f.pdf” from the Muscatine Jouranl web site on 06/20/2013. At that time one could click on the small image in the viewer window and pull up a larger image.

    To be precise, you downloaded it at just before 3:48 pm EDT. How do I know? From the METADATA you posted:

    xmp:CreateDate 2011-04-27T09:00:38-05:00 /xmp:CreateDate
    xmp:ModifyDate 2013-06-20T15:47:57-04:00 /xmp:ModifyDate
    xmp:MetadataDate 2011-04-27T09:01:39-05:00 /xmp:MetadataDate

    Compare to the file I downloaded:

    <xap:CreateDate>2011-04-27T09:00:38-05:00</xap:CreateDate>
    <xap:ModifyDate>2011-04-27T09:01:39-05:00</xap:ModifyDate>
    <xap:MetadataDate>2011-04-27T09:01:39-05:00</xap:MetadataDate>

    Notice how the ModifyDate and MetadataDate in my copy are the same? That means that I properly downloaded the file without modifying the file.

    For the record, the ABC file should have the following METADATA if you properly download it:

    <xap:ModifyDate>2011-04-27T09:29:01-04:00</xap:ModifyDate>
    <xap:CreateDate>2011-04-27T09:28:48-04:00</xap:CreateDate>
    <xap:MetadataDate>2011-04-27T09:29:01-04:00</xap:MetadataDate>

    Again, the ModifyDate and the MetadataDate are the same (though the order is changed because they were created in different programs).

  94. Giving WKV the benefit of the doubt — I believe he meant to say scale, and then crop.

    And he’s going to have to do a downsample in there somewhere…

    I did speak too hastily. Hermitian’s revision of my statement is close to what I should have said, but it’s not quite correct.

    The proposed workflow is resize, crop (or vice versa, but I think the crop came second), followed by color balancing and downsampling to 120 ppi (again, I’m uncertain as to the order of operations, and note that in this case, it could be done simultaneously). Note that a simple resize will maintain the resolution, thereby resampling to change the number of pixels. So If I resize a 200 ppi 12″x15″ image to 8″x10″, it will remain a ppi image at the default settings. You can change these so that the resolution also changes (in this example, to 300 ppi).

  95. WKV should know that different PDF parsers and PDF Editors often reorder and renumber the objects in a given PDF. Without knowing his source for his copy of the Muscatine Journal PDF or the specific software that he is using to examine it then I can’t help him.

    WordPad, and verified by 010 Hex Editor – neither of which change the metadata or rearrange the order. I’m not using a PDF parser or editor, I’m looking at the raw file. I got the files from the same source as you did. So the problem is on your end.

  96. “I don’t know about the 7655, but the 7545 has various image adjustments available in scan to email including sharpness, contrast, etc. The user can also adjust the resolution, adjust the width of the Edge Erase, select file type, and for PDFs, make them image only or searchable.”

    Check the user manuals …. google “Xerox WorkCentre [model #] documentation”
    Look for “Documentation – Xerox Support and Drivers
    http://ftp.xerox.com/support/workcentre-%5Bmodel(s)]/documentation/enus.html?…‎”
    It’s usually the first result.

    But yes, every time I have looked the menu options are pretty standard across various models.

  97. I mentioned the 7545 as I checked the actual machine. I have not had time to see if there is a 7655 on another floor. These came earlier this year when we switched office services vendors.

  98. W. Kevin Vicklund says:

    September 5, 2013 at 21:31

    “The problem is that the documentation for the 7655 sucks. It’s basically a really bad PowerPoint presentation.”

    HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
    So are the scanned images that it produces.

  99. Oh, I remember the heady days of working with decent hardware and software. Maybe they’ll come around again.

    As for the “really bad Powerpoint” (is there “not bad” Powerpoint?), you may be referring to the PDF version of the interactive help screens? Yes, those are a pain to wade through, but they do show you exactly what the user can see, more helpful than some bland list of features.

  100. So are the scanned images that it produces.

    Don’t blame Xerox for confusing you and others to claim that a forger must have been involved.

    ROTFL…
    Their ability to compress documents remains quite impressive but i doubt Hermitian understands the relevance.

  101. You won’t like the results of my experiments with my extracted JFIF from the AP ABC News PDF.

    Have we not heard that before. Come on Hermitian, why not first do some careful analysis before embarrassing yourself again?

  102. “So are the scanned images that it produces.”

    The scanned images are “really bad” Powerpoint? Xerox WorkCentres kick ass, but I don’t think they offer Scan-to-PowerPoint. That’s the last thing the MBAs need … !

    If you meant the scanned images suck, as in “sucks for Herms”, I do believe you’re onto sumpin’!

  103. I’m not sure why Hermie thinks we won’t like the extracted JFIF for the ABC pdf, but I’ve previously described almost everything contained within it. You’ve got two sets of JFIF App0 data, which gives the resolution, followed by the App13 data (also known as IPTC metadata), followed by the various tables, start of frame, and start of scan. The only part I haven’t previously described in mind-numbing detail is the IPTC metadata. So let’s break it down.

    It starts with:

    FF ED = App13 (IPTC Metadata)
    01 96 = Length of App13 = 406 bytes
    50 68 6F 74 6F 73 68 6F 70 20 33 2E 30 00 = “Photoshop 3.0”
    38 42 49 4D 04 04 00 00 00 00 = “8BIM” IPTC style tags
    01 7A = Length of IPTC metadata = 378 bytes

    At this point, there’s a bunch of metadata tags, in the following format:

    1C 02 [tag id (1 byte)] [length (2 bytes)] [value ([length] bytes)]

    I have taken the liberty of eliminating the lengths, and have directly translated the values into ASCII., and included the corresponding field name for each tag id.

    1C 02 00 = ApplicationRecordVersion = 1
    1C 02 05 = ObjectName = OBAMA
    1C 02 0A = Urgency = 5
    1C 02 0F = Category = A
    1C 02 28 = SpecialInstructions = HANDOUT IMAGE PROVIDED BY THE WHITE HOUSE
    1C 02 37 = DateCreated = 20110427
    1C 02 3C = TimeCreated = 085321
    1C 02 50 = By-line = J. Scott Applewhite
    1C 02 55 = By-lineTitle = STF
    1C 02 5A = City = Washington
    1C 02 5F = Province-State = DC
    1C 02 65 = Country-PrimaryLocationName = USA
    1C 02 67 = OriginalTransmissionReference = DCSA103
    1C 02 6E = Credit = AP
    1C 02 73 = Source = AP
    1C 02 78 = Caption-Abstract = This handout image provided by the White House shows a copy of the long form of President Barack Obama’s birth certificate from Hawaii. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)
    1C 02 7A = Writer-Editor = JSA RCL**DC**

  104. Kevin: Beautiful that’s what I needed… I am sure Hermitian will not be amused…

    Good thing that this time he did not yet publish his latest follies…

    you can thank us later my friend.

  105. Based on some of WKV’s posts, it seems that he is a user of a MAC OS computer. The reader should be aware that MAC OS has a long history of doing weird stuff with PDF files. Maybe WKV should take a look at the Muscatine Journal PDF with a Windows computer before blaming me for his problems.

    Bull. I have repeatedly stated that I do not use Macintosh computers. I haven’t even touched a MAC OS computer since Bill Clinton left the White House. I do have an iPod shuffle that I’ve listened to for about 35 total minutes in the last year or so, and in July/August I listened to my wife’s iPod on a 5-hour car trip. Aside from occasionally handling my wife’s iPod, that is the sum total of interaction with Apple products I have had in the last 13 years. Oh, wait, a friend of mine has an iPhone, and I think I looked at a picture he had stored on it once.

    I have never had any problems with WIN 7 download changing PDF files.

    And you validated this how, exactly? I actually double-check the metadata when I download a file to make sure I’m not changing it. If the ModifyDate -or worse, CreationDate- is the current date, I know I somehow screwed up and make sure to redownload. Now that I know that PDFs can be re-ordered if they are improperly downloaded, that explains some confusion I’ve had when you were talking about specific objects. And not just on the Applewhite sideshow.

  106. “I have never had any problems with WIN 7 download changing PDF files.”

    Herms, of course you don’t think you have had any such problems, because *you don’t even know how to recognize such problems.*

    BTW, what’s “WIN 7 download”? You’re working on installing a clean OS? Good for you, keep up the regularly scheduled maintenance😛

  107. On my Windows 7 machines, I have my browsers (IE, Chrome, and Firefox) set up to open pdfs in the browser. I can then right click and save the unaltered file to my harddrive. However, as I discovered yesterday, if I let it open in Adobe Reader and then save it, it reorders the file and overwrites some of the metadata. The same might happen with a function in Chrome – I’ll have to check in the morning. Good night, all!

  108. I contacted Doug Vogt and sent him the WorkCentre 7535 scan before and after saving it in Preview. He is not interested in a serious discussion. He said

    I don’t pay any attention to the argument that a Xerox 7535 created the PDF because the Metadata clearly shows that MAC preview displayed it and Quartz actually did the PDF generation. There are a lot of PDF program generators out there that companies such as Xerox used in their software, but they have to be able to exactly reproduce the same layers and also the fact the JBIG2 was evident on the PDF.

    He wouldn’t send me any files. He spent most of his time interrogating me as to why “I would support the Marxist Obama” and touting his and Irey’s combined “83 years of combined [irrelevant] experience in typesetting”.

    He made another somewhat interesting comment and seems to be distancing himself from using the PDF:

    The last report I did was in June 2011. That was a long time ago and at the time I only had the White House PDF to work from. Since then I acquired a reporters copy that was 600 dpi and that is what Paul and I did our analysis from. The problem with the PDF is that there is no chain of custody for it. We don’t know who created it, where it came from and who put it up on the web.

    We don’t care about the PDF copy. It did tell us three important things but that’s all.

    I asked him if the 600dpi photo was obtained from AP and he said it was not:

    No I am not talking about the AP photo. That was too low a resolution.

    I suspect it is one of the AP derivatives and Vogt is just confused.

    I told him I would not accept any further emails from him. Vogt has called publicly for the execution of me, John woodman, Doctor Conspiracy or anyone else would would dare point flaws in his crappy work. I find it distasteful to have any contact with him at all.

  109. 600DPI? Really?

    Reeeeeally?

    That would have to be a scan, not a photograph. 32Mp image, and would require razor-sharp focus to have any advantage over a 300DPI image.

    Moreover, 600dpi is approximating the resolution of the copy itself. Is Vogt examining toner and paper grains with his imaginary file?😀

  110. You know, I thought about writing an article comparing Vogt’s 22 page “criminal complaint” and his earlier affidavit/news release to the Xerox WorkCentre evidence but Vogt’s nutty stuff is just so bad it isn’t worth the effort. He regurgitated the standard claims about the white halos, layers, letter in both grayscale and block, etc. Here are his specific claims concerning the PDF

    18. 9 layers to the PDF that should not be there, Our PDF did not have near that many layers. Not by optimization.
    19. There are different dpi resolutions on the different layers.
    20. The certificate number has two resolutions, 200 and 300 dpi.
    21. No department of Health Seal on the PDF copy just a slight distortion on the green copy layer.
    22. The white halo was created by unsharp mask.
    23. The presence of green color values on some of the words and date stamps.
    24. Both grayscale and binary in the same pdf file—not likely.
    25. The last 9th layer was cropped 1/8” by the pdf printer drivers to fit the color printer.

    His other claims about typography anomalies are even sillier. He repeats the debunked “African” race and certificate number sequence claims too. Vogt just isn’t worth the effort.

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