Mark Gillar – From 100% certain to 1% certain

TeaPartyPowerHour 10 hours ago

CHRISTMAS COMES EARLY FOR THE COLD CASE POSSE:

For two years every single anomaly pointing toward the forgery of Obama’s LFBC has been dismissed by OBOTS as something could have been caused by the specific scanner used to scan in the LFBC PDF.

And now we have identified the scanner and a workflow that matches all these artifacts…

With the exact machine now known and plenty of 1961 LFBCs at their disposal, the CCP now knows where the scanner anomalies end and the indisputable signs of forgery begin.As one CCP expert said, a dollar bill that is 99% genuine is still counterfeit.

So all we have now are such inconsequential items like ‘african race’, ‘kerning’ and ‘tab stops’. There is really nothing that suggests forgery which is why the TeaPartyPowerHour is now accepting our findings as accurate.

The question is: When will the Cold Case Posse inform the world that they were totally wrong when they claimed 100% certainty… When in fact most artifacts have been explained by a simple workflow?

Time shall tell, but without the PDF forgery claims, nothing much of relevance remains.

Seems that the ‘no relevance’ had quite an impact after all…

Nice spin though… Anytime soon I guess…

23 thoughts on “Mark Gillar – From 100% certain to 1% certain

  1. In hindsight, Zullo should have released the Reed Hayes report before now. There is a point where its release will be anti-climatic and it will just be lumped with the now debunked Zebest’s and Pappit’s reports. And that is especially true if any of his conclusions are based on the now benign digital artifacts.

  2. And that is especially true if any of his conclusions are based on the now benign digital artifacts.

    They surely suggested that at least some of his initial conclusions were based on these artifacts.

  3. If this is an example of the type of inductive leaps you take when you do you research, I’m not at all surprised that you think you’ve cleared up all of the anomalies in the LFBC PDF. My point in making the statement about a 99% genuine dollar bill still be counterfeit is that you don’t get to claim victory after explaining some of the anomalies. You have to explain them all.

    THIS WAS IN NO WAY MEANT TO IMPLY THAT OBAMA’S LFBC PDF WAS 99% GENUINE. It was merely meant to make the point that a document is either genuine or counterfeit. There is no in-between. Saying the LFBC is mostly genuine is like saying that a woman is mostly pregnant. A lady is either pregnant or not. A document is either genuine or counterfeit.

    I have also not formally announced which of your findings I think may be accurate and which I think are not. Frankly, your list of the yet to be explained anomalies is far from complete.

    Is this an example of how your thought process works? Agreeing that the document went through Xerox at some point in its life, is not the same as me agreeing with all of your findings. My quote regarding the dollar bill also would not lead most people to believe that I or anyone else believes the Obama LFBC PDF is 99% genuine. It was an example meant to explain a concept. Sorry if you didn’t get that.

  4. If this is an example of the type of inductive leaps you take when you do you research, I’m not at all surprised that you think you’ve cleared up all of the anomalies in the LFBC PDF. My point in making the statement about a 99% genuine dollar bill still be counterfeit is that you don’t get to claim victory after explaining some of the anomalies. You have to explain them all.

    Well, I believe I have explain all of them that were attributed to the PDF forgery process. But I am sure that you can think of additional goal posts. The point is that the CCP claimed that they had 100% proof that the Certificate was a fraud, and most of this was based on the ‘artifacts’, all of which I have explained.

    Good luck my friends, you have taken the first step, it should not be too hard to admit that the CCP was ‘slightly’ wrong or even, well… completely wrong about there claim that these artifacts could not be explained by a workflow involving a scanner.

    Are they ready to admit to this? Surely in a ‘criminal investigation’ the ‘investigators’ have a duty to investigate exculpatory information…

    Oh, I forgot…

  5. Mark: It was merely meant to make the point that a document is either genuine or counterfeit.

    And when 99% of the evidence just was ripped away from under your feet… the case for a counterfeit is going to be that much harder to make, especially since the ‘evidence’ now becomes mostly hearsay and speculation with no real ‘hard evidence’…

    The PDF artifacts at least gave you that much… A great visual to convince people… It would have done great in front of a Jury I am sure.

    So what now…

  6. Mark – “I have also not formally announced which of your findings I think may be accurate and which I think are not.”
    There is a reason that neither you nor the CCP will announce which “anomalies” you think will be explained by the Xerox and which won’t – you can’t. Your “experts” are still convinced that MRC only produces one 8-bit layer and one 1-bit layer.

  7. Yeah Mark, you were particularly concerned about how the signature and date separated… Epecticus just posted a fine review of the CCP’s first Press Conference…

  8. During the original MCCCP Press Conference on March 1, 2012, Mike Zullo said, ““Going forward, our methodology was to look at this document and to validate this document. In other words, all we wanted to do was look at this information, reproduce what was in this document, and then move on. If we could reproduce it, there truly is no issue.” (emphasis added, of course).

    We now know that had the Posse included a competent investigator capable of doing the sort of research that NBC has since performed, they could have reproduced it, and then concluded there was no issue. While Zullo has subsequently devolved to the actual promotion of deliberate fraud (ex: the “coding issues” that were the centerpiece of the 2nd presser) at that moment Zullo and his posse was simply incompetent. It was only later that they became dishonest and deluded.

    Mark’s videos show that a total of five (and only five) “anomalies” were raised in that first presser. They were the 1) characteristics and number of layers caused by optimization, 2) the fact that the date and registrar’s stamps could be moved as independent units around the page, 3) the existence of halos, 4) the difference in “noise” (the Posse “experts,” to include Zebest, were too incompetent to realize they were looking at different resolutions between the JPEG and the monochrome bitmasks) and 5) the presence of the green security paper on a single rather than multiple layers. It does not matter that the descriptions offered by Gillar and Zullo of the JPEG layer and several of the bitmasks were factually false…. those were the objections raised.

    And all of them are eviscerated by NBC’s work in this blog.

    Of particular note is that Video 5 has Gillar gloating that, “It should be noted that none of the self proclaimed computer experts claiming to be able to replicate the layers in Obama’s long form birth certificate has been able to replicate this effect with the April 25th date stamp and the Registrar’s Stamp.” This is no longer true. Gillar may move the goalposts however he wishes… but both he and Zullo preannounced the standards for declaring them failures. Those standards have been met, and they have failed.

    Remember… the ultimate result of NBC’s work is not to prove the President’s birth certificate authentic. That has already been taken care of by the State of Hawaii, the only authority whose opinion on the issue ultimately matters under the Constitution. And NBC knows (as birthers seem incapable of grasping) an electronic image cannot be used to determine the authenticity of the original document one way or the other. Only Hawaii can make that declaration, and they have so declared.

    No. The actual demonstration here is not that Obama’s birth certificate is authentic, but that the MCCCP is a fraud, its “experts” are amateurs, its leadership is unprofessional and its defenders are suckers.

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  9. Looking now at the second press conference, both Zullo (in his presentation) and Gillar (in his first video) make a single point in the effort to establish their conclusion of forgery. In Gillar’s words, “The anomalies in the pdf file purported to be a scan of Obama’s Long Form Birth Certificate cannot be duplicated using the known forms of compression in currently available software.”

    Again, thanks to NBC’s work, we now know this to be a reflection not on the PDF of the President;s birth certificate, but on the technical competence of their “experts” Garret Papit and TIm Selaty. This is the specific circumstance on which both Zullo and Gillar hung their hats.

    They are now both hatless.

    In a moment of blindingly delicious irony, Gillar states that, “So when you see experts ontelevision or the internet stating that Barack Obama’s Long Form Birth Certificate doesn’t have any problems because they scanned and optimized a document and they got layers too, theyare guilty of not digging deeply enough into the layers to see what types of layers wereproduced and how those layers differed from the layers in Barack Obama’s pdf file.”

    At this point, only the Posse can honestly be accused of not having dug “deeply enough.”

  10. Surely in a ‘criminal investigation’ the ‘investigators’ have a duty to investigate exculpatory information…

    It is more than that. Joe Arpaio has said on more than one occasion that his purpose in authorizing the Cold Case Posse investigation was to clear up the questions about President Obama’s birth certificate. He has even bragged that he was doing this as a favor to Obama. Now that a bushel basket full of exculpatory information has been dumped in their lap through absolutely no effort on their part let’s see if they live up to Arpaio’s words. I am not holding my breath.

  11. Now that a bushel basket full of exculpatory information has been dumped in their lap through absolutely no effort on their part let’s see if they live up to Arpaio’s words. I am not holding my breath.

    Yes, I recently remembered Arpaio’s ‘claim’. Did anyone take him seriously?

  12. @Mr. Gillar:
    OK, then. Based on the 1% of anomalies (you maintain) are still outstanding, I’d be interested in hearing your objective case for why anyone should conclude that the LFBC is a forgery. Just the facts, please.

  13. historiandude –
    Listen to the presentation and video by Zullo/Gillar for the June 1st, 2013 CSPOA Convention – three months ago they were still saying that a simply scan of a document could not produce the “anomalies” seen in the WH LFBC PDF.

    Zullo says in the introduction at about 6:00 mark that the “most incriminating thing” on the BC is the registrar stamp was imported vertical rotated 90 degrees.

    At the about the 9:30 mark the video lists 11 things wrong with the PDF. All of them have been shown to be false.

  14. What’s funny about Zullo’s comment about the registrar stamp having been brought in vertical and rotated 90 degrees, is that in Illustrator, if you select Object/transform/rotate and enter 90, the entire document is now in landscape mode and all of the layers have a 0 degree rotation. It shows the absolute ignorance of the

  15. It is astounding to me how after more than a year, Zullo/Gillar still can’t even get the details right. At the 9:45 mark in the CSPOA video Gillar directs the viewers to, “Please note that layers four, five, six and seven contain one hand stamp each and nothing more.” This is almost verbatim from the March 1, 2012 videos. The problem is that it’s not true. “Layer 5” also includes part of the form text and a single cursive stroke from Dr. Sinclair’s handwritten date. Further both “Layers 4 and 5” don’t carry the complete hand stamps, leaving seemingly random digits behind in “Layer 8.” I have regularly used those layers to demonstrate how the PDF makes no sense as the product of an intelligent human forger. Gillar’s misrepresentation seems calculated to distract from any close inspection.

    They have regularly done the same thing regarding the “safety paper layer.” Like several of their other boners, it originated with Mara Zebest. They try to misrepresent the color JPEG as the last layer added to “the forgery” proclaiming that the “security paper” was a final addition to the electronic document… ignoring that “Layer 9” also includes the entire form frame, the shadow, some of the form text and most of the signatures. One can only wonder at the sloppiness of Zullo/Gillar’s description and the contradiction between their theory of manufacture and the actual evidence. Can these guys actually be that incompetent? Alternatively, can they actually believe their audience is that stupid? The latter question is not completely rhetorical.

  16. “At this point, only the Posse can honestly be accused of not having dug “deeply enough.””

    Only insofar as to its pretense of an investigation. With respect to the hole that the Posse is burying itself in, they haven’t stop digging yet.

  17. What is the bit about “tab stops”? Not familiar with that memelet, and God forbid my PDF Madness collection be incomplete.

    So, Gillar is falling back on memes related to content (i.e., long debunked race codes, “African”, etc?), and has no genuine technical meme left standing?

    If that’s the case, then how is this “1%” being calculated? If you count all the birfer PDF Madness memes, regarding content and file structure, it is by no means a 99:1 split. If you consider them by merit, all the content based memes are 100% bullsh*t, 0% merit, so they are, as the CCCP likes to say, truly, “of no concern”.😉

  18. Manual mechanical typewriters often had the capability to set tabs for indentation and vertical alignment of text, and it was common for experienced typists who repeatedly filled out particular forms to preset tabs for those forms. The tabs we see in modern word processing software are atavistic throwbacks to that mechanical capability… a classic example of adapting an old metaphor to a modern tool simply because it is already comfortable.

    The problem for Gillar and team is that the use of the tabbing mechanism was optional. Different typists might or might not use it, heck… even the same typist might use it some times and not others. This is even more common when the same typewriter might commonly be used to fill in different forms with different tabbing requirements, and it became burdensome to reset the tabs for a single birth, death or marriage certificate. So it cannot serve as evidence for the authenticity of any particular document compared to any other.

    I have been entertained these last two years by the nearly complete ignorance birthers have maintained regarding mechanical typewriters, magnified beyond all common sense in their self proclaimed “experts” like Irey and Vogt.

  19. Ah, so it’s literally about tab stops. At least that much is reassuring. But what’s the CCCP complaint, that some of the text is left-aligned in its various fields, and that an attempt was made to center other text entries (“eyeballed in”) ? Are they suggesting everything should be left-aligned? Are they seriously suggesting that it was impossible for an experience typist to make any attempted at centering, particularly repetitive entries into a standard form that was routinely completed?

    A left-align tab stop, at the beginning of each line, would have been helpful on this form (look, the beginning of each line is left-aligned!), as for the rest, to tab stop every field … yikes. The alignment in general matches that seen on other period Hawaiian BCs, and other typewritten BCs and forms from throughout the 20th century.

    If their “complaint” is something else, I’d, uh, “love” to hear it.

    Like I said, remaining memes are 100% bullsh*t LOL

  20. To; JPotter – “What is the bit about “tab stops”?”

    The simplest way to explain it is visually. Look at Edith Coats 1962 birth certificate

    All of the typed entries along the left margin of the document line up vertically. And if you look at the typed information in boxes 6b, 7c, 9 12b, and 14, they are also aligned vertically. In the parlance of Zullo, this BC would be perfectly justified since almost all of the typed entries line up along vertical lines. A lot of the available Hawaiian BCs show this pattern. But others do not.

    As historaindude indicated it was up to the individual typist. Some typist liked the visual look of the centered typed entries. The Coats BC with its perfectly aligned text looks weird.

    Look at the President’s LFBC, many of the entries are centered in the boxes. This is what I believe the CCP means by the tabs not being set. The Nordyke sister’s BCs look like a combination of both set tabs and centered typed entries. The Ah’nee BC is mostly centered entries.

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