Hermitian: Talk about missing the workflow ! The Applewhite original was not a JPEG but rather a PDF. Remember the totally missing camera METADATA in the Applewhite PDF ? No !!! I didn’t think that you would remember. I don’t recall that you ever posted any camera METADATA from a JPEG that Applewhite created with his camera.
Actual, his original was a jpg which was turned into a PDF. The jpg can be extracted from the PDF, which I did, and I showed you the relevant metadata. Have you been asleep? As to me never posting the metadata, again you are wrong…
Hermitian: What !!! You can’t possibly mean that your freetoy JPEG extractor tool looked into some JPEG that you obtained from an unnamed source and it didn’t find any camera METADATA for Applewhite ? And then there was also no camera METADATA in Applewhite’s PDF image of the pale-Blue reporter’s handout copy.
It’s not the tool but what you do with it. I have come to realize that you have no idea how to extract data from a PDF, unless Illustrator supports it?
The metadata, unremarkably, matches metadata found in other AP photographs. Nothing to exciting here. If only Hermitian had taken the time and effort to do the logical thing…
Hermitian: Now let’s get down to reality on the work flow. So we already know that the Applewhite’s “PDF file “ap_obama_certificate_dm_110427.pdf” was created and produced using Adobe Acrobat 8.26.” Hence we know that this PDF is an Adobe PDF file. We also know that this file loads OK with Adobe Illustrator CS6 and Adobe Illustrator CC. Of course it also opens without error in Adobe XI Pro. And the same applies to every other program that I have that is compatible with Adobe PDF files.
It seems to me that Hermitian does not appreciate that a PDF contains bitmaps or JPEGs. In this case the JPEG is easily extracted. While he is struggling to get his expensive tools to do what I can do with freeware, I have shown how there is just no support for his claims. Once again our poor friend was embarrassed by his lack of investigative research.
That’s because Adobe Photoshop can only open and save Photoshop PDF files.
Again, wrong. Adobe Photoshop can open any PDF but has special capabilities if you save the PDF using Photoshop and remember to turn on the special setting
Hermitian: And common sense would dictate that the AP doesn’t ever furnish it’s original PDF files to any news outlet.
Yes, so why would you expect Applewhite to make a PDF for a small town newspaper 🙂 Common sense indeed..
Hermitian still does not get it. The same jpeg that was used to create the AP PDF was used to create the Muscatine PDF. The same metadata… I cannot believe why he overlooked such a simple work flow.
You really should have paid more attention to what my findings were… You’re miles behind right now.
How embarrassing… Our friend does not even know how to extract a simple jpeg from a PDF.
Even though I have shown him several ways of doing so… Well, you can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make him drink.
Hermitian, again, thank you for your contributions as they place in nice contrast your musings versus my hypotheses.
I explained to Hermitian how to extract a jpeg from a PDF here and showed him the relevant metadata. He still appears to be utterly confused as to the workflow, from the moment Scott Applewhite shot his pictures, uploaded them to the AP office, where it was distributed. In addition someone took the photograph and embedded it into a PDF for distribution.
All the times line up quite nicely:
- 8:53EDT – Applewhite takes the picture
- 9:28EDT – The AP PDF is created
- 10:00EDT – Muscatine editor imports JPEG into photoshop (3)
(1) IPTC tag
Time Created : 08:53:21+00:00
(2) PDF metadata
Modify Date : 2011:04:27 09:29:01-04:00
Create Date : 2011:04:27 09:28:48-04:00
(3) PDF Metadata
Create Date : 2011:04:27 09:00:38-05:00
Metadata Date : 2011:04:27 09:01:39-05:00