Experiment – Muscatine PDF and Author

I opened the AP jpeg in Photoshop (CS5) and saved as PDF… The results are interesting as Hermitian had made so much about J Scott Applewhite being the ‘author’, but the same happens when you open the jpeg ad save as PDF. It even mentions the Image Conversion Plugin and the Subject – This handout image provided by the White House shows a copy of the long form of President Barack Obama’s birth certificate from Hawaii \(AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite\) and title Obama. So that little mystery has been resolved. What remains are the time stamps and the

Without access to CS2 Photoshop, retracing the exact steps and studying the metadata will be complicated. But as I had already expected the Author information has been resolved.

24 thoughts on “Experiment – Muscatine PDF and Author

  1. NBC

    “Experiment – Muscatine PDF and Author

    “Posted on August 5, 2013 by NBC

    “I opened the AP jpeg in Photoshop (CS5) and saved as PDF… The results are interesting as Hermitian had made so much about J Scott Applewhite being the ‘author’, but the same happens when you open the jpeg ad save as PDF. It even mentions the Image Conversion Plugin and the Subject – This handout image provided by the White House shows a copy of the long form of President Barack Obama’s birth certificate from Hawaii \(AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite\) and title Obama. So that little mystery has been resolved. What remains are the time stamps and the

    “Without access to CS2 Photoshop, retracing the exact steps and studying the metadata will be complicated. But as I had already expected the Author information has been resolvedd”

    Talk about a one-track mind. Would somebody rip that JPEG extractor out of NBC’s hands?

    There are a gazillion JPEG copies of the Obama pale-Blue reporter’s handout out there !

    But there is only one AP PDF image of the pale-Blue background copy. So why would anybody in their right mind grab a JPEG copy somewhere and convert it to PDF to do his analysis?

    Oh! I get it now! Do you?

  2. But there is only one AP PDF image of the pale-Blue background copy. So why would anybody in their right mind grab a JPEG copy somewhere and convert it to PDF to do his analysis?

    Again that argument from ignorance… Have you even bothered to ask the Muscatine Journal?… They do see to like their PDF…

    Sorry Hermitian, another one of your hypotheses has failed

    Why would anyone believe that Applewhite made another PDF that was only used by the Muscatine Journal.

    ROTFL…

  3. NBC says:

    August 5, 2013 at 17:39

    “”
    But there is only one AP PDF image of the pale-Blue background copy. So why would anybody in their right mind grab a JPEG copy somewhere and convert it to PDF to do his analysis?””

    “Again that argument from ignorance… Have you even bothered to ask the Muscatine Journal?… They do see to like their PDF…”

    “Sorry Hermitian, another one of your hypotheses has failed”

    My comment had absolutely nothing to do with the Muscatine PDF. It had all to do with your action to convert some unsourced JPEG copy of the pale-Blue Applewhite PDF to yet another PDF for your analysis. The Original Applewhite PDF image of the reporter’s pale-Blue handout copy is readily available here as a 1.2 Mb file:

    http://abcnews.go.com/images/Politics/ap_obama_certificate_dm_110427.pdf

    I suggest that you download it and then repeat your analysis. I would also suggest that you do so using better software tools but I’ve already done that multiple times. So why waste my time.

  4. NBC

    “Again that argument from ignorance… Have you even bothered to ask the Muscatine Journal?… They do see to like their PDF…”

    So that call to the Muscatine Journal would go something like this… “I understand that you requested and received a PDF image of President Obama’s long-form birth certificate on April 27, 2011 from Scott Applewhite of the AP. So he sent you his original PDF image containing his METADATA with a note saying “”I don’t care what you do with it ! “”.

    And the Muscatine guy would answer…Hell NO ! “Who is this ?– some Birther?”.

    METADATA from “ap_obama_certificate_dm_110427.pdf” (pale-Blue copy)

    /
    /
    /
    /
    /2013-06-22T18:48:48-04:00
    /2011-04-27T09:28:48-04:00
    /2011-04-27T09:29:01-04:00
    /Adobe Acrobat 8.26
    /
    /
    /application/pdf
    /
    /
    /uuid:cbc77ddb-0cfd-453e-b022-b288c2daeab5
    /uuid:1880039f-f8a7-4f9b-9bf6-5f49288e152e
    /
    /
    /Adobe Acrobat 8.26 Image Conversion Plug-in
    /
    /
    /

    ——————————————————————————————————–

    METADATA from “4db82608b486f.pdf” (Muscatine Journal PDF)

    /
    /
    /
    /
    /AP
    /USA
    /AP
    /Washington
    /JSA RCL**DC**
    /2011-04-27
    /DCSA103
    /DC
    /5
    /HANDOUT IMAGE PROVIDED BY THE WHITE HOUSE/
    /A
    /STF
    /3
    /QCT RGB settings
    /
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    /application/pdf
    /
    /
    /Obama
    /
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    /J. Scott Applewhite
    /
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    /This handout image provided by the White House shows a copy of the long form of President Barack Obama’s birth certificate from Hawaii. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)
    /
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    /AP2011
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    /uuid:407BCEBAD670E011A7CCFF16F5ECB385
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    /2011-04-27T09:00:38-05:00
    /2013-06-20T15:47:57-04:00
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    / Adobe Photoshop CS2 Windows
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    /-1
    /36864,40960,40961,37121,37122,40962,40963,37510,40964,36867,36868,33434,33437,34850,34852,34855,34856,37377,37378,37379,37380,37381,37382,37383,37384,37385,37386,37396,41483,41484,41486,41487,41488,41492,41493,41495,41728,41729,41730,41985,41986,41987,41988,41989,41990,41991,41992,41993,41994,41995,41996,42016,0,2,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,20,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,30;9C9628BCF865807A6FAE92CB93FF1601
    /
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    /Adobe Photoshop for Windows — Image Conversion Plug-in
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    As anyone can tell, the “ap_obama_certificate_dm_110427.pdf” PDF was created and produced by:

    /Adobe Acrobat 8.26

    /Adobe Acrobat 8.26 Image Conversion Plug-in

    —————————————————————————————

    Whereas the “4db82608b486f.pdf” PDF was created and produced by:

    / Adobe Photoshop CS2 Windows

    /Adobe Photoshop for Windows — Image Conversion Plug-in

    Thus, as you can see the PDFs were created and produced using totally different tools.

    Now NBC contends that Scott Applewhite created just one PDF of the pale-Blue reporter’s copy and sent that PDF to the Muscatine Journal who created the second PDF copy.

    There is absolutely no evidence in the METADATA from either PDF that supports NBC’s claim.

    To the contrary, for NBC’s claim to be true, the Muscatine technician would have had to strip all the METADATA from “ap_obama_certificate_dm_110427.pdf” and then with Photoshop CS2 create entirely new METADATA for “4db82608b486f.pdf”. Thus he would have to type in the lines which credit the AP, Scott Applewhite, the AP caption writer and all the references to Washington DC and NOT enter a single line which identifies the Muscatine Journal, himself and the city and state of Muscatine Iowa. And the lines that credit the AP, Applewhite, the caption writer, and Washington DC all begin with the label /</photoshop: embedded within the METADATA.

    Thus anyone who then accessed the METADATA of the Muscatine PDF would assume that it was created by Scott Applewhite at the AP. But the Muscatine guy would not have reported what he had done to the AP. So Applewhite would forever be sandbagged (or blindsighted if you prefer) !!! And there's absolutely no reference to the Muscatine Journal in the METADATA from "4db82608b486f.pdf".

    That just didn't happen Dude !

    And then there's the clincher. The Muscatine Journal has a thumbnail image which is embedded within the METADATA as an xml thumb image file. I had to strip out the xml code stream of the thumbnail image from the METADATA that I had extracted by means of my PDF code parser.

    Now why would the Muscatine technician take the time to create a xml thumbnail image within Photoshop and embed same in the METADATA of his PDF ? Especially when he is busting his hump just to turn out a near-White background PDF image of the AP pale-Blue PDF image and meet his print deadline?

  5. Thus, as you can see the PDFs were created and produced using totally different tools.

    Now NBC contends that Scott Applewhite created just one PDF of the pale-Blue reporter’s copy and sent that PDF to the Muscatine Journal who created the second PDF copy.

    There is absolutely no evidence in the METADATA from either PDF that supports NBC’s claim.

    To the contrary, for NBC’s claim to be true, the Muscatine technician would have had to strip all the METADATA from “ap_obama_certificate_dm_110427.pdf” and then with Photoshop CS2 create entirely new METADATA for “4db82608b486f.pdf”. Thus he would have to type in the lines which credit the AP, Scott Applewhite, the AP caption writer and all the references to Washington DC and NOT enter a single line which identifies the Muscatine Journal, himself and the city and state of Muscatine Iowa. And the lines that credit the AP, Applewhite, the caption writer, and Washington DC all begin with the label /</photoshop: embedded within the METADATA.

    Thus anyone who then accessed the METADATA of the Muscatine PDF would assume that it was created by Scott Applewhite at the AP. But the Muscatine guy would not have reported what he had done to the AP. So Applewhite would forever be sandbagged (or blindsighted if you prefer) !!! And there's absolutely no reference to the Muscatine Journal in the METADATA from "4db82608b486f.pdf".

    Poor Hermitian missed the simple workflow where importing a JPEG and saving it as a PDF in Photoshop sets the author to the author of the original JPEG.

    Thus creating the impression that Applewhite somehow created the PDF.

    Of course, there is just no good reason for Applewhite to create a special PDF for Muscatine…

    Hermitian still appears to be unfamiliar with the Photoshop workflow. Embedding a thumbnail is part of the process, as is embedded the full PSD.

    It’s so simple that I do not fault Hermitian for overlooking something so obvious…
    Remember the the embedded PSD shows evidence that it was modified with a time offset matching Muscatine Journal’s location.

    Makes a lot of sense. Will waste another blog posting helping our friend understand…

  6. Well the stupid comment editor ate most of my METADATA again.

    And I had taken the time to surround all of the leading < signs with / — i.e. /</

    So /</ XXXX gets eaten to /____

    You figure…

    Is anyone else having the same bad experience on this "moving target" blog site?

  7. So that call to the Muscatine Journal would go something like this… “I understand that you requested and received a PDF image of President Obama’s long-form birth certificate on April 27, 2011 from Scott Applewhite of the AP. So he sent you his original PDF image containing his METADATA with a note saying “”I don’t care what you do with it ! “”.

    So you have not even tried… Wow… And yet you jump to conclusions about Applewhite just like that? Not the best diligence I have seen.

    Sigh… It’s a simple workflow, all you need is Photoshop… I am sure you tried the experiment yourself, did you not?

  8. Now why would the Muscatine technician take the time to create a xml thumbnail image within Photoshop and embed same in the METADATA of his PDF ?

    I’m sure forgetting to disable “Embed Page Thumbnails” took forever to do. Almost as long as forgetting to disable “Preserve Editing Capabilities” took.

  9. I’m sure forgetting to disable “Embed Page Thumbnails” took forever to do. Almost as long as forgetting to disable “Preserve Editing Capabilities” took.

    Of course…

  10. And then there’s the clincher. The Muscatine Journal has a thumbnail image which is embedded within the METADATA as an xml thumb image file. I had to strip out the xml code stream of the thumbnail image from the METADATA that I had extracted by means of my PDF code parser.

    Catching up I see🙂

  11. Kevin, how come you immediately understands how this all could have happened🙂

    Dude, I don’t even use Photoshop. My only exposure to it since playing with it a bit in fall of ’05 has been transferring it to the succession of laptops my wife has owned.

  12. Oh, wait, it’s not. They’ve just taken off a layer of security so users that already have it can more easily transfer to a new computer. Please delete my previous comment (and this one). Sorry.

  13. NBC

    “Poor Hermitian missed the simple workflow where importing a JPEG and saving it as a PDF in Photoshop sets the author to the author of the original JPEG.”

    Talk about missing the workflow ! The Applewhite original was not a JPEG but rather a PDF. Remember the totally missing camera METADATA in the Applewhite PDF ? No !!! I didn’t think that you would remember. I don’t recall that you ever posted any camera METADATA from a JPEG that Applewhite created with his camera.

    What !!! You can’t possibly mean that your freetoy JPEG extractor tool looked into some JPEG that you obtained from an unnamed source and it didn’t find any camera METADATA for Applewhite ? And then there was also no camera METADATA in Applewhite’s PDF image of the pale-Blue reporter’s handout copy.

    Don’t you think it strange for a Pulitzer-prize-winning, top Professional Photographer for the AP not to record his camera METADATA. And on top of that, his time stamp was running behind by four hours. Boy! They must really run a tight ship at the AP.

    Oh! What the heck! After all he was just creating a PDF image of the President’s birth certificate.

    Now let’s get down to reality on the work flow. So we already know that the Applewhite’s “PDF file “ap_obama_certificate_dm_110427.pdf” was created and produced using Adobe Acrobat 8.26.” Hence we know that this PDF is an Adobe PDF file. We also know that this file loads OK with Adobe Illustrator CS6 and Adobe Illustrator CC. Of course it also opens without error in Adobe XI Pro. And the same applies to every other program that I have that is compatible with Adobe PDF files.

    However that compatibility does not necessarily extend to Adobe Photoshop. That’s because Adobe Photoshop can only open and save Photoshop PDF files. And Adobe PDF files and Photoshop PDF files are not guaranteed to be completely compatible by Adobe. Sometimes Photoshop will open PDF files created by certain other Adobe products such as Illustrator or Acrobat and sometimes it won’t. So the bottom line is that Adobe PDF files and Photoshop PDF files are not necessarily created equal.

    In the case of Applewhites’s PDF file “ap_obama_certificate_dm_110427.pdf” it will not open at all in Photoshop CS6 or in Photoshop CC. Instead it returns the error message:

    “Could not complete your request because of a program error.”

    Now I know your come back will be —- “Just open the file in Illustrator and then save it as a Photoshop PDF file”. Well Illustrator will save it as an Adobe PDF file but not as a Photoshop PDF file. Also Illustrator will not Export it as a Photoshop PSD file. So that’s the “end of the road” for Illustrator and Photoshop for versions CS6 and CC for each.

    Also Adobe Acrobat XI cannot save or export the Adobe PDF file to a Photoshop PDF file.

    Now there might be a version of Photoshop out there which could open Applewhite’s Adobe PDF file. But even so that wouldn’t guarantee the workflow that you claim to have checked out.

    To guarantee your proposed workflow you would have to show that an Adobe PDF file that was created with Adobe Acrobat 8.26 (Windows ? or MAC OS ?) is compatible with Photoshop CS2 Windows. Otherwise the Adobe Acrobat 8.26 created PDF file would not open in Adobe Photoshop CS2.

    And common sense would dictate that the AP doesn’t ever furnish it’s original PDF files to any news outlet. Obama’s LFCOLB PDF may have been a one-time exception. The White House might have enlisted the AP to scan a paper copy and then release a PDF image to a few news outlets that were carefully selected by the White House Press Secretary. However, even then, common sense would also dictate that the AP would not have released the LFCOLB PDF image without laying down clear instructions and restrictions regarding the use or modification of the LFCOLB PDF file. After all it’s still a a copy of the President’s birth certificate.

  14. I see Hermie still doesn’t understand timezones. He also has no explanation for how a PDF created at 9:27 AM EDT (the ABC “blue” LFBC) could be the source file for a JPEG created at 8:53 AM EDT (the Applewhite “blue” LFBC), without referring to the AP having incorrect time stamps.

  15. I see Hermie still doesn’t understand timezones. He also has no explanation for how a PDF created at 9:27 AM EDT (the ABC “blue” LFBC) could be the source file for a JPEG created at 8:53 AM EDT (the Applewhite “blue” LFBC), without referring to the AP having incorrect time stamps.

    It’s quite straightforward. Applewhite took various pictures, and DCS103 was embedded in the AP PDF. At the same time the images were distributed and picked up by countless organizations, including the Muscatine Journal who imported the jpeg into photoshop, did the cropping and color enhancements and saved as a PDF, with ’embed thumbnail’ and ‘preserve editing capabilities’ checked.

    So simple…

  16. My comment had absolutely nothing to do with the Muscatine PDF. It had all to do with your action to convert some unsourced JPEG copy of the pale-Blue Applewhite PDF to yet another PDF for your analysis. The Original Applewhite PDF image of the reporter’s pale-Blue handout copy is readily available here as a 1.2 Mb file:

    The JPEG is not unsourced, it’s embedded in the AP pdf… Come on Hermetian, stay with the times… Yes, PDF’s do contain JPEGs… So indeed, I showed you how to take the PDF and extract the relevant data.

    What is holding you back Hermitian? Does Illustrator not support this? Can you not install the necessary tools, do you have to ridicule open source or freeware?

    Anything to avoid to have to look at the facts?

  17. I have received confirmation that APImages does not always use the local timestamp contained in the METADATA for their timestamp.

  18. Beautiful… What a little proactive research can do for you. Hermitian was about to call someone a forger based on a flawed understanding…

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