It is my belief that the man identified as Harry Bounel in the 1940 Census was actually a man named Harry Boymel, born September 15,1886. It’s my belief Mrs Julius simply guessed he was “about 50” and either she or the enumerator misspelled his surname.(links for ancestry.com members)
Harry Boymel was Russian born, arrived in the USA on October 18, 1910 with his wife Bella and eventually became a “fruit seller”. The ship’s log shows their names were originally Gersch and Beile Baumel, but all subsequent records list them as Harry and Bella Boymel, with several misspellings of the surname in the census records.
http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse. … plz0q3dpid
http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse. … plz0q3dpidHarry and Bella settled in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania and began their family -children Julius(later changed to Jules)1912 – 1999, Bernard 1915 – 1978, and Ruth 1924-. Harry applied for US citizenship in 1915 and it was finalized in 1920. http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse. … plz0q3dpid
In spite of a lack of formal education Harry was doing well. The 1920 Census shows they owned their home and Harry was the owner of a fruit store.
http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse. … plz0q3dpidAnd then came the Depression. I cannot find the family in the 1930 Census. I believe Harry lost the store. The 1940 Census has Harry, married but alone, working in a fruit store in NY and states he lived in the same place in 1935. Bella and Ruth are living with Bella’s brother in PA, and Bella is listed as married and lived in NY in 1935.
http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse. … plz0q3dpidHarry’s 1942 Draft Registration shows him working in a store in New Jersey. Ruth is listed as the “relative who will always know where he is.” I think Bella died between 1940 and 42.
http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse. … plz0q3dpidThe boy’s records show they were college graduates. Harry later resided with his son Bernard in Washington, DC, and that is where he died. His SS number is not from Connecticut.
http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse. … plz0q3dpidSide note: I bet he was really proud of his granddaughter. http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/nytime … =159871348
Debunking Orly – Harry Bounel
At the Fogbow, a poster named Fre presents an impressive research that tracks the genealogy of the person identified as Harry Bounel in the 1940 census, as to the Harrison J Bounel who showed up as a spurious entry in the Axciom database, it has been shown that dozens of names have shown up over time, tied to President Obama’s SSN. Such is the nature of these unreliable databases. However, when looking at the actual SSA records, no such person can be found. Orly, once again, is shown to remain empty handed. But that will not stop her from filing foolish lawsuits.
I have added some links
Harrison Bounel applied for Soc Sec number when he needed to apply for Medicare to enter nursing home in Connecticut. Social security numbers (the first three digits) have been. Until legislation this tear, tied to specific states. 042 is tied to Ct.
There is no evidence of a Harison Bounel in the records. And Social security numbers used to be tied to the zip code of the return address, which explains why our President could have gotten a CT SSN. Of course, we know that President Obama used his 042 number earliest in 1980. The foolish ideas that somehow he stole a SSN remains unsupported by any relevant data.
The geographic codes weren’t assigned or set up by legislation. They were set up originally to make it easier for offices in different locations to assign numbers without inadvertent duplications. Legislation wasn’t needed to change the process. I’m not even sure if that would have been a regulation. More like a policy.
Good points. All it takes is one mistake in reading a return zip code and you may end up with a SSN from another state. Nothing mysterious about that, the system still granted a valid SSN.
We know that President Obama used his SSN on his selective services form, so he has had the SSN since at least 1980/1981 but more likely since he worked at Baskin Robbins.
Some history
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Source: http://www.ssa.gov/history/ssn/geocard.html
As to SSN Randomization, researchers had shown how one could pretty accurately guess SSN’s.
See for example http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/researchers-say-they-can-guess-your-ssn-6C10406565
Thus an effort to introduce randomization was made and implemented.
http://www.socialsecurity.gov/employer/randomizationfaqs.html#a0=8
There is the following person
Name: Harry S Bonnel
Birth: abt 1860 – Connecticut
Residence: 1910 – city, New Haven, Connecticut
SSA started in 1935 but the SSN was assigned in 1977 so this does not really add up as the person would have been quite old.
Given Name: Harrison
Middle Name:
Surname: Bonnel
Name Suffix:
Birth Date: 9 July 1897
Social Security Number: 136-12-6935
State: New Jersey
Last Place of Residence: Broward, Florida
Previous Residence Postal Code: 33308
Event Date: September 1978
Age: 81
Given Name: H
Middle Name:
Surname: Bonnell
Name Suffix:
Birth Date: 2 June 1895
Social Security Number: 528-09-2059
State: Utah
Last Place of Residence: Davis, Utah
Previous Residence Postal Code: 84015
Event Date: February 1971
Age: 76
Given Name: H
Middle Name:
Surname: Bonnell
Name Suffix:
Birth Date: 14 July 1906
Social Security Number: 283-05-9820
State: Ohio
Last Place of Residence: Old Fort, Seneca, Ohio
Previous Residence Postal Code: 44861
Event Date: May 1981
Age: 75